Heads Up: Dalai Lama Agonistes

well, Thanks … cute Simon, according to your article, basically …someone made those normal Tibetan believed something actually not truly happened (hundreds gunned down). If something happened in the future, we know whom to blame and we’ll have Simon’s article as an evidence. There are real dirty hands messing up the situation in Tibet. They use lies to fool the normal Tibetan and made them on the street. Do they really care about the benefits of Tibetan people?

I’m very glad to see that China has a strong government now. They do have the ability to take care of those morons.

thanks simon for the heads up… have you heard the phrase ‘smiling eyes that cannot see’. Or the joke of blind chinese traffic cop in Lhasa…’he’s actually the mayor feeling the pulse of the city… another overpaid chinese official. i’m no defalt specialist of chinese idiom and don’t wanna be.
But lets paint the kettle black once more for the dumb***es. One day china will have civil right, there will be Dalai Lama and there will be tibetan independence.

most of the views against tibetans are racist and words of dump insensitive bigots, born from an authoritarian cesspool of ignorance.

with the marginalization of the republican party collapse of the economy in the US and china i expect the the authoritarian elite in ‘tinsil town beijing and shanghai’ to be looking for somewhere else to party because their own country is tired of the greed.

JIG IS UP CHINA…your not invisible and i will call you down every chance i get. the policy of your government is RACIST and your RACIST if you back that policy.

To chinatoon:

Please give some evidence of Chinese towards Tibetan as racist.

In fact some Tibetan extremists cry for clean off the ethnic Hui and Han Chinese out of Lhasa as the Nazi did in the night of broken glass seventy years ago, burn ethnic Chinese alive and their shores. They are the racists.

And thing to correct you, if one day China get democracy, more you Western encourage separatists more the majority of Chinese will be behind a nationalist government, in a democracy way. Less chance end with peaceful solution and more less the separatists get their wish of independent. Learn something from history.

don’t talk to deaf and dumb racist like you ass****e

Clearly you are a racist ass****e

Simon,

The anniversary of 2008 Tibetan unrest is approaching. Please help us to find out the truth. How many people actually been killed on Lhasa street? Hui people, Han people and Tibetan people? How many killed by police? Did the mosque been burned?

The truth is simple. Those 19 Tibetans died playing hide and seek and bumped their heads against a brick wall. Others died because someone else was doing push-ups, while the rest of the people were just walking around shopping for soy sauce.

“The Dalai Lama’s presence in China might allow for improvement in the way Tibetans are treated.”

You are the ultimate optimist. You really think the Chinese government will be less worried about Tibetans wish for autonomy with Dalai in Tibet ? It is the hold of CCP in Tibet that CCP worries about, not whether Tibetans will be better treated.

Dalai should stay out of China, after he retires as the head of the Tibetan movement. It will be much better off for Tibet, for Dalai, and for China. He should just continue to go around the world visiting heads of states as a simple monk, and get Chinese government excited every time he has tea with some body. That should make good copies, and fun to watch how the government of a major nation misbehave.

John
I trust Simon’s story not your day dream

John
The CCP goverment did a good job keep you busy

I just read an article written by a group of Indian journalists, who just finished a long journey in China. Tibet was of the places, which they visited and paid special attention to. It turn out that they were very surprised for what they saw.
First, they realized that Chinese government was heavily investing in protecting Tibetan culture. For example, the major temples in Tibet are all receiving funds from Chinese government to maintain the spectacular appearances of those temples. The feeling of these Indian journalists was that Chinese government was protecting and investing in Tibetan culture for tourist money. Second, they did not see any signs of human right abuses or religious activity interventions. They saw that Lamas and regular Tibetans prayed wherever. Tibetans showed no special interests on these Indians at all, unless they were spending money in their stores or restaurants. The conclusion of the Indian journalists was that Tibet had been misunderstood and misinterpreted so much. So, who is misinterpreting Tibet to rest of the world? It is the people like you, Simon Elegant with the help from the people like Johnsmith here.

.Today… MONK SHOT BY CHINESE POLICE AFTER SELF-IMMOLATING IN PROTEST IN TIBET

whose the racist and pathetic liar! You my red neck friend.

love the entertainment….you guys are a bunch of comedians, or i guess more appropriately ‘intellectual idiots… this is better but still childish like the kung fu movies. have just gotten out of school or do you get paid to spread this nonsense.

To:chinatoon:
History has taught us lessons that geopolitics determines the boundary of countries.
Example I:
There used to be a country called Hawaii with their own Queen. The US did not like that idea and sent in the marine to kick out the entire royal family. Washington assigned a governor. After large immigration from oversea, now the native Hawaiians are nothing but performers at tourist attraction. In 1977, Hawaii became part of the US. WERE US a democratic country?
Example II:
North Ireland was part of Ireland when they declared independent from England. However, a large number of landlords originally from England refused to join. England sent in large number of troops to pacific native Irish. Now they have a truce and North Ireland is still not part of Ireland.
DL the idiot lays claim to 25% of China’s landmark that covers 5 Chinese province. If Tibet ever becomes a country, Xinjiang will be cut off from the rest of China and undoubly, US army would like to station in Tibet with missile aiming towards Beijing.
Do you see that would ever happen?
Do you remember the countries in the Middle East? None of them exists after the Second World War when England and France decided to partition the loser of the war into pieces.
Now you know why Tibet can never be an independent country. If DL ever returns to China, he will be living in Beijing of unknown address and only shows his face on special occasion. Therefore, Simon’s idea does not make sense at all.
I would like to hear your comment on this.

Tibet will be independent and the Dalai Lama will survive as head of Tibetan Buddhism and you will have to answer for the killing of a culture. There is no place to run if that happens. And with your bat like wisdom and senses are no match for any free thinking society.

You chinese will fall very easily on your own pride and arrogance.

chinatoon:
Ha. You are such an idiot.
Nobody can kill a culture. A culture is decided by the people who practices it. Tibetan Buddhism is alive and well. It is spreading across China. On CNN, it just showed a Tibetan Buddist Temple in Beijing celebrating the Tibetan new year.

Let me write it down clearly ‘batman’ or girlie:

You…LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE 8 times and are STUPID beyond belief 8 TIMES. So you see how lucky you are Batman the you are a biggest, luckiest, stupidous bast***d in all the bat caves in China and maybe the world

The world according to you”batman” is a place where only the strong survive.

The needs of the world is quite different and doesn’t need the politics of authority, violence and greed, but one who listens to the peoples needs.

Buddhist culture has taken a terrible hit and is on the verge of collapse in Tibet because of government policy.

Your a preacher of hate, their is no place for you. You have the arrogance of a southern red neck in mississippi and will probably beat up women when you cannot trash defenseless Tibetans.

Your nothing but a of punk racist! One day you’ll find your maker and there will be a price to pay for your arrogance!

You chinese really depress me….you spout shit uncontrollably.

Become a better landlord of the Tibetans,

lol du**sses

The existence of idiots such as chinatoon adds color to the world.
So, let’s celebrate!

‘ding dong’ anybody home … deaf and dumb arisobats… time to celebrate!!!

OH excuse me you are Ding Dong!

2morrow … 00-morrow with sing son…

a ding dong of chinese sing song pol-icy…

gov-ernment killing policy of the inno-cent

ti-betan

00-morrow a big guy…

kung fu panda so brave,

beat the innocent monks or nuns or child-ren,

lets sing along all you ariso-bats

doesn’t matter to make up for lack of aud-ience…

your time will come to lets celebrate!!!

ding dong, 00-morrow, and batman lets sing along

with dead nun and monk you kill for fun!!!

You are like a cartoon character, Chinatoon

Not trying to make you and your kind furious, we are going to take all the land in Xizang(tibet) because it is ours. We may leave a few square miles waste land as “Reserves” for the tibetians, they can build casinos there.

Dalai Lama is a bad lama, cause all the good lamas are dead lamas,

Happy now?

kiss my ass kiss alot…you silly panda

Only after you pull your head out from it first.

is it true pandas smell the ass first before kissing romeo

your idea of romance is better left overseas if you get my drift romeo

Chinese government is just too patient for Dalai Lama. To some extent, they should really learn some good lesson from Russian KGB. Dalai Lama was like a clown jumping here and there. If I were Chinese leader, I would have got him 30 years ago.
And Chinese government is too good to the Tibetans. They can bear however many children they want and Han Chinese can only have one child. If Chinese government wants Han largely flow into Tibet, why don’t they just let Han Chinese have more children and limit Tibetan’s childbirth.
Still I don’t understand how the Chinese government can tolerate such treason of some Tibetan monks. If I were Hu or Wen, I would execute them publicly and burnt down their temples.

Human right issues for deaf and dumb aristobats like you yo-yo-san will start with the nonviolent tibetan protest… if there is a Martin Luther King in china he won’t be chinese yo-yo-san but tibetan. As the only patriotic voice in the home of worse human rights record the tibetans will lead the the way as only a good Buddhist can.

You my fat friend can go sit on a broom…made in china!

Human rights, unfortunately, has become such a cheap thing when it is being passed around through the mouths and asses of the decendants of the Royal/imperial thieves and/or Tibetan slave-owners and/or idiots such as chinatoon.

Get your own mouth and ass cleared off before talking about human rights … please!

Noticed that a comment I provided earlier was removed from the post by … supposely, someone affliated with Time.

Fine!

Freedom of speech does not mean that one can say anything he/she wants to say … I understand that.

But I was wondering what was wrong with that comment? It was simply about Simon Elegent’s own heritage (and heritage presevation is the thing that he talked about in the article he asked people to read) … which is somehow related to Hongkong, a small island taken away by the Royal millitary forces from China a 150 years ago and handed over back to China, reluctantly, by the faded imperial power, in 1997.

It just sounds so cheap and hypocratic when folks such as Simon Elegant open their mouths to talk about the preservation of Tibetan heritage … without acknowledging that their own recent history which, like it or not, consitutes an important aspect of their own heritage, is quite bloody.

Oh, don’t tell me that the handover of Hongkong demonstrates the fading imperial power’s commitment to heritage presevation and human rights protection.

It is all about power and interest.

(00) how would you like if you didn’t own the dirt under your finger and some red bas**rd want to call it his.

‘Freedom of speech does not mean that one can say anything he/she wants to say … I understand that.’
ding dong anybody home!!!

( 00 )’s a big guy…who eats his mother for breakfast.
you ding dong… did you her screaming.

Your mother is tibetan 00-morrow, wisdom being, the more you hate someone the more you become that person.

he’s a racist…and a bigot and his mother was delicious

Wow:
chinatoon becomes hysterical. He is on the verge of total mental collapse. Obsessed with blind faith (DL will be back to Tibet as God king) and false hope (Tibet will be an independent country), finally Chinatoon has gone to the dark side. Watch out. He is going to go to the nearest Chinese embassy and set himself on fire. Does anybody care? Get the camera ready.

Having pulled off quite some stupid articles about China, Simon Elegant surprised me with this one – it is a smart idea (maybe Simon is not an idiot after all). In fact, it is the idea I would tell DL had I got the chance to talk to him.

The whole tibetan thing has been mightily screwed up by the western liberals (following political advices from Hollywood never gets anyone to anywhere). In fact, those self-serving western liberals get in the way of building some trust between DL and the Chinese government.

The only place where DL can exert some influence over Chinese policy in tibet is in China, be it Lhasa or Beijing. His return itself will automatically remove the single biggest tibetan grievance, which is over the right to worship him.

Unfortunately this is a dreadful scenario for the western liberals who routinely indulge themselve in self-induced wound-climax over a remote fanciful Shangri-La, also for those overseas tibetans who make a living on the fiasco. Soon enough Simon will find himself under vicious attack from these groups for his occational smartness.

Pride and Sensibility

Of all the inventions you claim or stole from the west i don’t remember the soccer ball. But, then i remember a mongolian hockey sport with a dead mans head, usually chinese. Then it all came to me…everyone has been kicking you around for millennium to millennium and you really have the an identity crisis. Maybe thats why you people can’t see straight and don’t look directly into my eyes because your afraid.
Fact is you haven’t succeeded at any political stand for very long ever, and you latest political experiment will fail too.
So batman…your foiled…!

So now i thank you batman and Don Idiot for lending a hand spreading Tibetan Buddhism. By the murder and rape of innocence you inadvertenty caste the seed of Tibetan Buddhism to the west where it has flurished. History will repeat itself for all you my fickled children, your arrogance, pride and sensibility will once again foil your plans for anything meaningful and lasting and Buddhism Tibetan style will continue to grow from millennium to millennium.
Karma and Causality will once again take seed in the ‘land of the people who think their the smartest on earth’, and your children will be destitute thanks to your pride and sensibility.

chinatoon,

It does hurt, doesn’t it?

Whatever the reasons are for such a feeling of helpless and hatred of you, you have my pity.

i’m being kind…
Why are you so evil and brutal to Tibetans panda-boy?

I think you chinese are the most silly when i pin you down at your restaurants. You really don’t have an argument for Tibet, except you are the brutal bunch of racist. The longer you stay in the west the more you’ll see things my way.

Thank the gods i’m here and not there.
Your the dog chasing its tail to sniff its ass to find its identity panda-boy!!!
i’m just the call to the firehouse because your house is on fire pand- boy, seems you don’t know how to put it out panda-boy, so being kind by directing a little causality your way.

chinatoon,

Just a kind reminder that you’ve got your quote wrong – it’s “Pride and Prejudice”, “Sense and Sensibility” is another story. You messed the two up. Jane Austen would be rolling in her grave.

Still, you have my sympathy, similar to what I have for the Palestanians and the American, Canadian and Australian aboriginals. Let’s hope that the tibetans won’t go down the same road someday.

imagebilly:
I think what Simons hopes was that DL will ignite a violent revolution to overthrow existing political structure just as Ayatollah Khomeini did in Iran. They all hope someday, somehow, a violent revolution will happen in China or Tibet if China does not adhere to the Democratic Liberal principle although everybody knows that Democratic Liberal system is inherently unstable politically, and inefficient economically. It will be disastrous that China jumps into it at this stage of development. That was what DL said in an interview with Charlie Rose. In that interview, DL even said himself that Tibet is better off economically within China. That is why I do not understand what chinatoon was screaming about. If you want to watch that interview, go to youtube. It will amaze you what came out of the mouth of DL. DL said that Mao used to treat him like his son. Wonderful isn’t it.

It is actually not very difficult to understand sing 666.

When DL said Tibet is better off economically within China he probably meant the majority of the Tibetan people.

But, there is also the minority.

In fact, it is the minority, with the help from the “western liberals”, who cries out loud to the ignorant general western audients as if everybody living on the Tibetan platau is interested in being liberated (again).

I read a book about how and why DL decided to escape to India written by an insider in China. The riot started when rumor circled around Lhasa that fateful evening, that DL would be kidnapped if he attended a dinner party hosted the resident General from China. Urged by his brother and inner circle, DL decided to dress as a common soldier and escaped to India. However, the pursuing Chinese army, at one point had the entire entourage within range of its cannon. Mao denied that request to fire on them. I have no idea how true that was.
In the interview with Charlie Rose, DL said that all he wants for Tibet is to decide for themselves environmental, education, cultural and religous issues of Tibet. I got a suggestion for the Chinese government. Why don’t they make DL the minister of enviroment and culture for Tibetan region or even China if they decide this time DL really meant what he said.
The unintended consequences will be:
1. Western media will have one less contentious issue to write about and one less topic to demonize the Chinese government.
2. What about Richard Gere? Will he be granted a visa to see DL in China? Can he survive spiritually without the guidance of DL? A lot of thing to talk about.
After waging 20+years of war against China from Nepal with the help of CIA and subsequent 10+years promoting Tibet independence, it will be difficult for any Chinese government to trust him. In an interview, DL’s brother said that originally it was a dispute between Han Chinese and Tibetan Chinese, now; it became an international issue between Western countries/Media and Chinese government. The real interest of Tibetans is lost in the process. Even DL cannot control it. One time, DL said this in public, “Westerners should stay out of this issue because it is between Tibetans and Hans.” Do they listen? No.

(Some of) the western liberals (or pretended liberals) have perhaps come to a realization of their own sin by examining their recent history and their grandparents’ wrong-doings.

That’s a pretty nice thing.

It is perhaps the first step of the Long March towards enlightment.

But what’s wrong with these guys is that they want others to write a check to pay for their sin.

So, for example, instead of returning “their own lands” to the aboriginal people and moving back to where their grand parents come from, they are offering “generous” helps to the Tibetans to take the lands back from China (let’s put the complexity of the history aside for a while).

And when it comes to returning the bronze heads to the place where these artifacts belong their excuse is that the place needs to be democratized and human rights records of that place needs to be improved.

How hypocratic!

So they inherited the sin no matter how “liberal” these guys may appear to be.

To be a true liberal, write a check of your own bank account, please!

You can’t claim the moral high ground without giving up your personal (or collective) interest.

My two cents to share with sing666:

From the very begining the so-called Tibet issue has never been an issue of the life of the majority of the Tibetan people.

It has always been a geopolitical issue … between China and the west … a classical power Vs interest game.

The political culture within the west may have changed quite significantly over the past half a century but the nature of the geopolitical game has never changed.

As for the western media … you see, they want to produce “news” to sell.

The shallow minds of Richard Gere and the alike do not worth our time to discuss altough their bodies worth our time to see … they are beautiful creatures, aren’t they?

I just finished watching a CNN show hosted by Fareed ZaKaria who has his root in India and calls India a dysfunctional democracy. He interviewed Canadian Prime Minister Steve Harper. I never vowed for this guy because he is too conservative for my taste. Here is some summary to share:
1. War in Afghanistan is not winnable because it is and never will be a war of attrition. With an exit strategy laid out from the US, Canada will pull out in the near future.
2. Unlike the US, Canada is in a manageable cyclical economic downturn because Canadian banks are properly regulated to stop catastrophic failure.
3. Sub prime crisis never happened in Canada because there is housing insurance run by government.
On top of that, Canada has a health insurance policy that is the envy of a lot of liberals in the US.
It is the first time in a long time that Canadian federal government has a fiscal deficit.
It seems that Canadian politicians are much smarter. Why?
Steve Harper is an economist by training and 90% of the political elite in the US are lawyers.
Wow. Canada is NO. 1. LOL
Go Canada go.

If some people really want to help DL, why don’t ask India, a country with democracy, return Tibet’s land that they have deprived from Tibetans for so many years? This always seems to me easier than to deal with China Government theoretically. But the reality is that no one even dare tp mention it. Why DL don’t ask or fight for that???? Just because Chinese Government or Chinese are too nice??? If DL could do that, he would be a hero.

My family lived in the border area of Tibet and China – the town of Lanzhou.

Tibet was not China then, and Tibet is not China now.

There’s some sad proof of where Tibet really begins, appearing right now: the blockade of Tibet begins shortly past Lanzhou, where the military has set up only 200km outside the city.

You can also see the “real Tibet” from satellite photos; just do an image search on “Asia + night + satellite.” In that photo you will see the “modernized, liberated” Tibet.

Sing666, unfortunately there is a year’s worth of millions of online comments demonstrating racism against Tibetans, since March 2008.

I’m afraid this has made the claims of “Tibetans are our brothers” and “China is tolerant” sound hollow.

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Tibetan Buddhism is alive and well. It is spreading across China. On CNN, it just showed a Tibetan Buddist Temple in Beijing celebrating the Tibetan new year.

Imagebilly, western liberals? I’m from a missionary family in Lanzhou, which was not liberal. I’m also an ex-military crew chief. Again, not what you’re describing.

My views on Tibet come from my family’s personal experience. Tibet was not China in 1949.
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The whole tibetan thing has been mightily screwed up by the western liberals (following political advices from Hollywood never gets anyone to anywhere). In fact, those self-serving western liberals get in the way of building some trust between DL and the Chinese government.

“(Some of) the western liberals (or pretended liberals) have perhaps come to a realization of their own sin by examining their recent history and their grandparents’ wrong-doings.”

Thank goodness that ALL Chinese won’t be doing this at all, ever. That’s the strength of the Chines people – never examine their own “wrong-doings”, because they have none.

sing666: DL is an honorary Canadian !!! Go Canada Go !!

johnsmith:
Fortunately, he is just a honorary Canadian, not a real one. A real Canadian cannot be that stupid.

saulaan:
You should be grateful despite of what you said, there are no reports of Hans mob battling Tibetan mob on the street because the Chinese government is allowed to arrest and jail any trouble makers without trial. No matter what you say about the Chinese government, they do not treat Tibetans the same way Nazi against Jews. If you want to know how bad things can be if the government loses control, look at India. Hindu extremists run amok all the time, killing Christians as well as battling Muslims. Supporters of different parties kill each other for fun in every election season. Western media keeps inflaming the situation by making provocative prediction. It is getting out of control. Every ethic group has their own share of extremists whether it is Tibetans or Hans. You guys have to learn to live with each other without becoming the entertainment of the Western Media and balkanizing the whole area. Remember Serbia and the killing field there. It is very sad that Tibetans have been TV entertainment for the Western Media and they don’t even know it.
Remember that Western Media is a profit-oriented animal and they don’t have any conscience.

by Tsoltim Ngima Shakabpa

China hurls stones at us
Lies, bullets and prisons
Yet they cannot break our spirit

We offer gems to China
The truth, prayers and non-violence
Yet we cannot break their power

Wherefore doth China malign us?
When we offer them but sweet wine
Whereto do we go from here?
When we can no longer bear the agony
Wherein lies the path to freedom?
The path we’ve sought for years

Brick by Brick
Stone by stone
We strive for a nation we can call our own
Action by action
Prayer by prayer
We hope for freedom we can soon declare
Day after day
Year after year
We pray the sky above us will clear
Doth not the cold winter
Change to warm and fresh spring?
Doth not the dark night
Become a bright and sunny day?
When will our woes end?
When will God deliver us from evil?
Or must we labor for nought in the dubious hope
Of gaining our freedom from the oppressor?
Or should we venture forth
And bear the ultimate weapons of freedom?
Bombs, bullets and missiles!

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sing666, I respect your views.

But remember, it’s not as easy as saying all people sympathizing with the Tibetan cause are “TV entertainment” addicts. My family didn’t even have a TV for the majority of my childhood. My father didn’t have a TV at all in Lanzhou, lol.

Tibetans are not TV entertainment; there’s hardly anything on TV here about Tibet or Tibetans. People sympathize with Tibetans in my town because we know them personally and see the horrible things that have happened to their families and land in Tibet.
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It is very sad that Tibetans have been TV entertainment for the Western Media and they don’t even know it.

It is amazing how these Tibetan Exiles can fabricate stories about how millions of thousands of people had been killed. And how many people blindly believe it. Unfortunately, liars never win in the end. And that’s why Dalai has never won in his lifetime.

conscienceinchina sounds like a Tibetan五毛, or cheaper one? Talk with brain, not with grudge.

mel0809, sadly we have people in the world trying to deny the Jewish Holocaust, too. You are right – liars never win in the end.
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It is amazing how these Tibetan Exiles can fabricate stories about how millions of thousands of people had been killed…..Unfortunately, liars never win in the end.

saulaan:
Being from a missionary family in China, you seem to be promoting Tibetan independence. You people should know that it is not going to happen no matter how you spin to justify it. Giving Tibetans a false hope that they are going to be a country someday is the cruelest thing anybody can do to them. It only prolongs their agony. How do you expect a country of 1.3 billions people gave up 25% of their land, 5 times the size of France, to 6 millions people with the mentality of theocratic society. Being a Westerner in China and a Christian, you should promote reconciliation instead of inciting hatred among Tibetans and Hans. What is your hidden agenda?
I am a Canadian with a Christian background. I become an anti-christ after I came upon Christian like you too often. It is sad, sad, sad.
There is a meeting in Toronto between Hans Chinese and Tibetans to reconcile their difference in a sensible way. The same is going on in San Francisco. Tibetan independence is not going to work. DL knows it. You should know it too. Give it up and be a loving Christian instead of one that is full of hatre.

Sing666, I appreciate your views, and I appreciate your desire for Tibetans and Chinese to meet, exchange views, become friends. Though raised in a missionary family, I am Buddhist now (it was my father raised in Lanzhou; I was raised in HK).

This is not really about Tibetans being a country; you folks are too quick to lump anyone who’s pro-Tibetan in to one “camp.” It’s not that simple. However, one thing pro-Tibetans can agree on, and that is that it’s time for Tibetan kids to stop being called “stupid donkeys” by Chinese teachers. It’s time for Tibetan kids to stop getting arrested and shot just because they want to study abroad–in India, or elsewhere.

What modern country shoots people for leaving???

Since March 2008, there has been an outpouring of hate against Tibetans, online, by Chinese people. Many of us are completely in shock. You have no idea what a terrible, terrible thing this has been for China’s image. All over the web, you can see Chinese people mocking Tibetans, saying “stupid lazy monks,” “dark-skinned terrorists,” etc. Awful, awful things. Blatant racism.

Now, when Beijing says “Tibetans are our brothers and sisters,” we can’t even believe it because of all the online hate.

This is not about independence; it is about humans not hurting other humans. That is something we can all agree on.

Again, I appreciate very much your kind tone…it is rare right now, sadly, among all the Wu Mao.

saulaan:
I have no part in promoting understanding between Hans and Tibetans. Their own community arranged the meeting. After March 2008, emotion ran very high on both sides. I am sure terrible things had been said from both sides. I always find that there are a lot of hard heads on the webs. If you really want to know what a real Hans Chinese is, listen to Jet Li and Yao Ming in person. I had the pleasure to watch their TV interview. If what you said were the general view of Hans about Tibetans, there would have been revenge killings after the riot. If you think name-calling is bad, how about the random killings of gays and blacks in the US. I do not understand why DL does not attempt to stop his people to go to India through deep snow and mountain pass without proper equipments and supplies. There are a lot more people died of exhaustion on the way very year especially children, than those killed by the border guards (if it actually happened at all). I never bought any political rhetoric without proof. If I were the Chinese government, I would have opened the border to India. The more rebellious Tibetans leave, the less trouble it is for them.
If you do not promote Tibetan Independence, why do you keep saying Tibet is not part of China? This kind of language incites a lot of raw emotion from both sides. It is very unwise. Hans Chinese is only part of China. China consists of ethic groups which have different dialects, customs and writings. If Tibetans were not Chinese and could be separated from China, the country would not have existed at all. Do you know that some hard heads in South Korea lay claim on a large part of North East China and some Mongolians calling Chinese all kinds of names on the web have laid claim on a large part of Northern China which overlaps a large part of greater Tibet. There is a anti-Chinese movement going on in Mongolia with Nazi slogan in “English” and signs. Mongolian woman caught in the company of a Chinese man got beaten up quite badly even thought ninety per cent of investment is from China and 90% of trading is with China. By the way, Mongolia is a buddhist country too. It is surprising to read about this kind of behavior in a buddhist country. What I am saying is that very ethic group and country has their own shares of extremists. Being a buddhist, you should spread compassion and love around. Have a big heart as an old Chinese saying goes. Oh. May be I did not quote it correctly.
“All over the web, you can see Chinese people mocking Tibetans, saying “stupid lazy monks,” “dark-skinned terrorists,” etc. Awful, awful things. Blatant racism.”
That is nothing when you compare the things oversea Chinese had to endure over the years. At least, you do see Tibetans beaten up on the street by gangs. That would have happened in the US in a similiar circumstances.

“All over the web, you can see Chinese people mocking Tibetans, saying “stupid lazy monks,” “dark-skinned terrorists,” etc. Awful, awful things. Blatant racism.”
“”That is nothing when you compare the things oversea Chinese had to endure over the years.”"

So because Chinese people have experienced racism, it’s okay for them to now call Tibetans “stupid lazy monks” and “dark-skinned terrorists?”

I’m sorry, but the Wu Mao Dang have completely destroyed China’s image.

Remember, Tibetan is not a dialect of Chinese. Cantonese, yes, Hokkien, yes, Hakka, yes, Lanzhou Hua, yes, Fuzhou Hua, yes; Tibetan, no. Uyghur, no.

Cantonese, Hokkien, Hakka, Lanzhou Hua, Fuzhou Hua–all are Chinese dialects. Tibetan and Uyghur are not.

So, the most accurate approach, now that the CCP has declared “Chinese is no longer a cultural term,” is to say that Canto, Hokkien, Hakka, Lanzhou, Fuzhou, are all Han; Tibetan is non-Han, Uyghur is non-Han. There is no such thing, anymore, as “Chinese” languages, only “Han” and “non-Han” languages.

Let’s say Hui, Hakka, Hoklo, Tanka (again some controversy here) are all Han.

That still doesn’t address the problem the CCP has created by saying “Chinese is not an ethnicity, Chinese is a nationality representing 56 ethnicities.”

You can’t call it the Chinese language anymore, because, by scientific nomenclature, this refers to a linguistic branch. If the CCP makes this final, you can’t say “Chinese” language any more than you can say “American” language.

I think referring to them as Han languages is accurate; even if a white person speaks the language, the language still originated with Han people. A Mexican person speaking English doesn’t change the nature of the English language; one has to name it something.

You can say the Han language family is dominant in China, and that one of its dialects is the official language of China; but if Chinese is a nationality, it’s inaccurate to use it as a language classification.

Otherwise, you will continue to confuse people abroad, when Beijing is just beginning to educate them that “Chinese” is a nationality, representing 56 different ethnic groups.

To the so-called “mel0809″:

I will talk with those with brain, not that you. In fact, I have never showed my viewpoint clearly here, why did you get such guilty, sensitive and mad when I mentioned “five-jiao”? Obviously you were “there is no silver but 300 liang(此地无银三百两)”

我真的想亲眼看看五毛们是长什么样子的。盼望终有一天，我们能看见光明，能在耻辱柱上见到它们的名字。

Agree, conscienceinchina. Illogic often ends in shame, and it’s illogical to defend policies that weaken China in the end (like policies of censorship, old-fashioned urges to “ban” communication, etc.)

Saulaan, you seems to be a nice guy, so my suggestion to you is use the money CIA gave you wisely, take vitamin everyday, stay healthy and live a long life, so you can see we build casinos in tibet, all the tibetan Chinese kids speak Chinese most fluently, lamas as a career will die out and you can only see some of them in the fortune tellers house.

Love,

The Barron

Baron, wtf are you babbling about??

There is no such thing as “Chinese” language, Chinese is a nationality, not an ethnic group. “Chinese” consists of 56 ethnic groups; one of them is Han. It is the Han language that is used as the national language of China; only one of 56 language possibilities.

If you say “Chinese” language you’re only confusing people. It’s “Han” language.

mel0809 Says:
Tuesday, March 3, 2009 at 12:34 pm
It is amazing how these Tibetan Exiles can fabricate stories about how millions of thousands of people had been killed. And how many people blindly believe it.
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Mel0809:
Tibetan Exiles do not necessarily have the capability to fabricate the stories. Their western uncles do.
Tibetan Exiles, including the Dalier himself, are simply actors (or chracters) of a well-fabricated drama.

When I said western uncles I certainly did not mean the general public in the west.
The general public in the west, like the general public in other places, are ordinary good people who’s knowledge hardly goes beyond their own backyard.
Why should they be so deligent to know what’s going on in the rest of world while they have enough to worry about in their own backyard?
So, they are not the people to blame.
But they are given the rights to have a say on things beyond their own backyard.
And how they are going to say about the things beyond their backyard is to a large extend dependant on what they hear and see in the fabricated stories delivered to their backyard.