Tibet Simmering….Or on the Brink?

March 10th is more like Valentines day for the so called “lama huggers” to make out with this Tibet issue. It gives you goose bumps when they looked so serious about it, like the picture I saw today about a British chic hugging her defaced-in-afganistan boyfriend.

Dunot worry,he will conjure up a belt of cloud to protect his followers just as the same he do at the escaping 50 years ago.The thing you should worry is about his passing away in the foreseeable future ,the magic is gone. But still dunot be afraid of, you may write to the writer of Heroes for solutions.

Simon,

Don’t be lazy.
The anniversary of 2008 Tibetan unrest is approaching. Please help us to find out the truth. How many people actually been killed on Lhasa street? Hui people, Han people and Tibetan people? How many killed by police? Did the mosque been burned?

eludethecat, that’s an unlucky name…

For almost one year now, we see this example of Beijing’s prejudice against Tibetans. That prejudice appears clearly reflected in the Chinese people themselves. This is why no one believes it when someone says “we love our Tibetan brothers and sisters.”

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Dunot worry,he will conjure up a belt of cloud to protect his followers just as the same he do at the escaping 50 years ago.The thing you should worry is about his passing away in the foreseeable future ,the magic is gone.

Baronvonkissalot, unfortunately you manage to show, in one short post, the prejudice of Chinese people against Tibetans, Buddhism, and the physically disabled.

The Special Olympics – did all Chinese make fun of the participants, just like you’re making fun of the injured soldier? Is this how you treat your own injured soldiers?

You may laugh at hugging. However, we hug our soldiers, instead of making fun of them.

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March 10th is more like Valentines day for the so called “lama huggers” to make out with this Tibet issue. It gives you goose bumps when they looked so serious about it, like the picture I saw today about a British chic hugging her defaced-in-afganistan boyfriend.

Bluescreen 2008, don’t be a coward.

Please help the world to find the truth, by helping us encourage the CCP to stop “locking down” China and Tibet in a way that makes humanitarian information almost impossible to investigate.

As long as the CCP is blocking information, your demands for “proof” are worthless.

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Simon,

Don’t be lazy.
The anniversary of 2008 Tibetan unrest is approaching. Please help us to find out the truth. How many people actually been killed on Lhasa street? Hui people, Han people and Tibetan people? How many killed by police? Did the mosque been burned?

saulaan: These are Chinese. Don’t bother to get them to find the truth, not even truth with Chinese characteristics. You see these every day on Xinhua and China Daily.

The truth is: Tibet was not part of Ming Dynasty. Neither was Xinjiang How did these large spread of land become part of China if not through invasion ? And Ming was only a few hundred years ago, not thousands as the Chinese posters here claimed.

Also, if Tibet “belonged to China for 700 years” and if Tibet “was a feudal theocracy,” then don’t blame Tibet, blame China, lol.

saulaan: But China is still a failed feudal dictatorship !! How can it help Tibet even if it had effective rule over Tibet, which it didn’t.

By the way, China invaded and occupied Tibet in the late 1600′s, after Qing demolished Ming. That’s 700 years from 1600′s to 2009 in Chinese math. See similar numbers and methods in their GDP figures.

Tibet is part of China. Every nation on the plant recognizes this like they recognize the North America belong to the United States. Should Americans go back the ocean return the land back to Indians as it was some hundreds years ago?

Doesn’t lecture history as you know nothing about it and this will make you endup being a laughing stock?

Saulaan the self-claimed missionary decendant(of what?):

Where the heck did you and your missionary parents or grand parents or grand grand parents come from? and on a mission of what?

Vatican?

If you are really serious about the so-called free-Tibet thing, then go back to where you are from and chant in your own backyard, in stead of trying to spread whatever believes you hold to the territories of China and the borders of Tibet.

That’s the only why you can maintain moral and logical integrity.

Got it?

Now if you can’t do so, stop talking about this free-Tibet thing as you do not have the moral ground to stand … OK you can stand, but it is collapsing.

Now, a little science.

As human beings we are by nature invators, no matter who you are, which ethnic group you belong to, and which political party you affliated with…

That’s unfortunate. But that’s a fact.

Now for those who claim that Tibetans are natives of the Tibetan platou and the Han and Hui Chinese are invators, you should look into your own histories and find out where your root is … well, scientific evidences tell we are actually all rooted in East Africa no matter where we are now on the world map.

Scientific evidences also unveil that the place we call Tibetan platou today was at the bottom of an ancient ocean millions of years ago. So apparently, Tibetans are not natives of this land as this land did not exist at all some time ago.

T is for tibetan…C is for dumb like a clam shell!!!

This weekend we received reports of four more protests in Tibet
that have taken place since Losar, including one on Saturday
carried-out by several hundred monks in Ngaba, eastern Tibet.
The monks demonstrated when Chinese soldiers broke up their New
Year’s Monlam Chenmo prayer ceremony.

Read Lhadon’s new blog post “It Feels Like Last Year All Over
Again” as she reflects on Tibetans’ steadfast defiance. It seems
that no matter how hard the Chinese authorities crackdown,
Tibetans simply refuse to be silenced and remain more determined
than ever to take back their freedom.

Follow Lhadon’s blog, Beijing Wide Open, as she reports from
Hong Kong on the incredible protests inside Tibet and shares her
thoughts on what this new resistance movement means for the
future of Tibet: http://www.beijingwideopen.org

Watch OUR NATION, Episode 14 on the sad and moving action by
Tape, a monk from Ngaba, Amdo who self-immolated on Friday in
protest against China’s rule of Tibet, and was shot by
paramilitary police:
http://blog.studentsforafreetibet.org/category/featured/

As Tibetans continue to coureagously engage in bold political
actions at this time of intense repression in Tibet, it is
critical that each of us re-double our efforts to amplify their
brave efforts to resist Chinese oppression.

Take the 310 by 3/10 Rangzen Circle Challenge!

Rangzen is the Tibetan word for freedom and SFT’s work to ensure
Tibetans’ call for freedom is being heard by governments and
people around the world is needed now more than ever before.

So what!

Report on this and report on that!

That’s simply a battle without guns … not so much different from the battle in the 1870′s when the two bronze heads were stolen by the Brits and the French.

The Brits and the French won in the 1870′s. So they took the bronze heads.

Today, the reports won’t win.

As now time is on the Chinese side.

Cry out! Loud!

It won’t help!

The only thing that will help is to ask all of these reporters to check their family history and return to where their grand parents are from.

Then, they can report, and ask the lands of Tibet to be returned to the Tibetan people.

But then, someone may come out to ask the Tibetans to return the lands, too.

It never ends!

There is no proof that the bronze heads were taken by the British or French from Yuanming Yuan. These junks were stolen by Chinese, probably Qing Court officials or even members of the royal family. These were the real thieves. The Chinese smuggled these animal heads out of the palace, out of Peking, and probably out of China, before they were sold in a western country.

bluescreen2008: You have mention one single bit of Chinese history to back up your story yet. I know. Facts don’t count in China. CCP teachings do.

2morrow2,

As a child of a father from Lanzhou, with grandparents from Lanzhou, an uncle from Lanzhou, family friends from Lanzhou, family on my mother’s side from Shanghai, I have just as much moral and logical reason to speak about my family as you do about yours.

In Lanzhou, it was called “going to Tibet” and “returning from Tibet” when you crossed over the river into Tibet. Nuff said.

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That’s the only why you can maintain moral and logical integrity.

2morrow2,

In that case, if everyone in Tibet returned to where their grandparents were from, there would be almost zero Chinese people left in Tibet. Be careful how you phrase things.
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The only thing that will help is to ask all of these reporters to check their family history and return to where their grand parents are from.

Oh yeah, these people will do everything to gain the sympathy of the international society.

Yes mel0809, it sure is “terrible” when people who have no army of their own try to get people to protect them from a foreign army.
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Oh yeah, these people will do everything to gain the sympathy of the international society.

saulaan:
In that case, if everyone in US returned to where their grandgrandparents were from, there would be almost zero White people left in US. Be careful how you phrase things.
And in that case, if everyone in US returned to where their grandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandparents were from, there would be almost zero people left in US. Be careful how you phrase things.

If your story is truth
In that case, if your mother in Lanzhou returned to where she was from, there would be almost zero chance you can post your comment here. So what’s your point?

bluescreen, you’re the one who said “grandparents.” I’m merely following your example. Culture is established in an area generation after generation; let’s go even further and say that if people in Tibet returned to where their *parents* were born, almost all Chinese would still be out of Tibet.

If my mom (it was actually my dad – you guys are notoriously careless) was from Lanzhou, why couldn’t she post here? Are you elitist; you think you’re better than someone still living in Lanzhou?

When a lie is repeated three time, it becomes truth. That is what happened to the so-call tibet problem. With all the fuss from Mr. Elegant and alikse’s so-called reporting, supported by all the half-truth from that Dalai, tibet becomes the conscience of the west, what a joke!

Don’t worry. I promise you nothing will happen. Even something happens the Chinese army can solve it easily, like what happened 10, 20, 30 and 40 years ago. Even Dalailama knows he is only a tool for the western countries to antagonize china. He knows how much he should go and those countries will give him only unofficial oral supports. If Dalailama really cares about Buddism and the Tibet people, he should go back to Lhasa and be a good spirit leader of his people, and leaves politics to Chinese.

I try to follow you logic (if you have) in the case your mother hasn’t make the travel to Lanzhou (if your story is true) there will be no chance of your birth.
And follow your logic again or you actually want to say, if Chinese (Han Hui?) people in Tibet (ART or greater Tibet?) returned to where their *parents* were born, almost all Chinese would still be out of Tibet. Do you mean these “Chinese”s human rights shall be denied?
Do you what Chinese mean? Shanghaiese, Lanzhouese? Does Shanghaiese have their own culture? What’s culture? Does Shanghaiese want independent? You know little.

Morriscui, not even Hong Kong reporters can go to Tibet. How can you say an “evil terrorist leader” like the Dalai Lama could? The CCP would never in a million years allow the Dalai Lama to go back to his own country, and everyone knows it.

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If Dalailama really cares about Buddism and the Tibet people, he should go back to Lhasa and be a good spirit leader of his people, and leaves politics to Chinese.

bluescreen, there are several easy ways to tell the difference between Chinese and Tibetans.

Chinese shops have Chinese signs on them; Tibetan shops have Tibetan signs.

Secondly, most Chinese people in the area are buried east of Lanzhou; most Tibetans are buried west of it.

“Between the two countries no smoke nor dust shall be seen. There shall be no sudden alarms and they very word ‘enemy’ shall not be spoken. Even the frontier guards shall have no anxiety nor fear and shall enjoy land and bed at their ease. All shall live in peace and share the blessing of happiness for ten thousand years. The fame of this shall extend to all places reached by the sun and the moon.”

~The Tibet-China Treaty of 821

Bluescreen: Shanghaiese, Lanzhouese, HKese, Hui – - – all use Chinese characters to write in the Chinese language.

Tibetans use the Tibetan alphabet to write in the Tibetan alphabet.

Unless you’re saying that the Chinese language is now to be called “Hanese”…

In fact, that’s a good question: are Chinese people considering renaming the Chinese language “Hanese?”

Tibetans write in Tibetan, whereas Hakka, Han, Hui, etc. all write in Chinese.

Wouldn’t calling it Hanese be discriminatory towards other Chinese?

So what?
Japanese, Vietnam and Korans also use Chinese Characters. Are the same as HKese, Shanghaiese, Lanzhouese, HKese, Hui?
And Tibet, is part of China. Every nation on this planet recognizes this. If you want challger this best off use weapon and come front China. As most of Chinese strongly stand on this position you have little chances to win.

bluescreen, the Japanese language is not called “the Chinese language.” The Tibetan language is not called “the Chinese language.”

Chinese is a nationality, not an ethnicity. Therefore, there is no such thing as “the Chinese language.”

We will need a new classification–Han or Hano, maybe? “Sino” is also now inaccurate. “Hano-Tibetan” would be accurate.

American is a political term; you guys are now saying “Chinese” is only a political term, not ethnic term.

Therefore, just as there is no “American” language classification, there can no longer be a “Chinese” language classification.

All texbooks will have to be rewritten to reflect China’s new law; “Chinese” and “Sino” will be wiped from history as classifications.

Dangerous road…

All throughout history, Chinese people have been united, as a culture, by the word “Chinese.” Chinese language, Chinese history, Chinese food, Chinese characters, Classical Chinese…

Now, the CCP blurts out–without consulting the Chinese people in China or around the world–”Chinese is a political term, not ethnic.”

Wow. Suddenly, all these ppl who were united, are not. You’re only Chinese if you’re from China. Your language is not Chinese anymore, only “one of many ethnic languages in China.”

saulaan: I didn’t say Dalailama is an “evil terrorist leader”. He could be an good leader and no doubt, there are some “human right” issues in Tibet. China will let him go back to Lhasa only if he gives up seeking for independence or autonomous, admitting that Tibet was, is and will always be one part of China. Then he can happily live in Budala and receive worship by his disciples, like the Pope in Vatican city. Before 1959 Tibet is an Caesaropapism society and his believers are also his slaves and serfs. This will never happen. China is getting stronger and Dalailama is getting older. After his death the situation of his Government in exile will get even worse. Coming back to Lhasa is the best choice.

Tibet will never be independent, I promise you, never. The reason is not located in the communism party nor the politicians. It is inside the Chinese people, inside every Chinese citizen. China’s ruling is Tibet is supported by it’s 1 billion people and it is hard to change so many people’s mind. Even the Qing dynasty and the Republic of China can’t, nor the P.R.C and any party in the future. Even one day the communism is overthrew by his people, the new government will still rule Tibet. Dalailama should know it.

Absolutely right panda boy… about as right as a mississippi redneck today. “Tibet will never be independent” With the conviction of a slave owning mother eating red neck your race is the chosen race of dumb*sses who sponsor genocide on the planet and turn a blind eye to scrutiny.

In the countries who garner human rights you fail along with your friends Burma and Sudan.

Now pandas everywhere will be questioned about their countries actions. Your either with us and against racism or racist. Not very wise panda boy!

Disagree, morriscui. CCP media has whipped up anti-Tibetan frenzy in China. All over the web, Chinese people are posting things like “dogshit eating terrorist Lama” and “DaLiar Lama” and “shit-eating monks” and “terrorist cultists.”

After the Party has done such a good job of convincing the people that the Dalai Lama is a terrorist (mind warp!!), there would be a revolution now if he were allowed to come home. Can’t have it both ways.

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He could be an good leader and no doubt, there are some “human right” issues in Tibet. China will let him go back to Lhasa

Morriscui; think about it. Of those “1 billion,” millions are not even Chinese–they are Uyghur, Tibetan, Mongolian, Hui, Kazak–all of whom resent the CCP taking over their lives and forcing their children to speak Chinese.

As much fear as Chinese people now have only one elderly monk–the Dalai Lama–how much more dangerous are 1 million angry “minorities”? Do you really think reading things like “rape Uyghurs out of existence” and “dogshit eating Tibetans” makes them less angry? This kind of thing is being said ALL over the web.
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China’s ruling is Tibet is supported by it’s 1 billion people

chinatoon, I am not arguing with you. I am just telling the truth. If the Tibeteans want to independent, it’s OK, but they have to find a way and there is no way! I don’t know why Chinese are turning a blind eye to scrutiny, or maybe they didn’t but only you think they did, but the truth is they are just doing like that and you can do nothing with it. Don’t call me panda boy, I am the Kongfu panda and I am smart ^_^, oh, maybe not VERY wise but still wise.

Morriscui, Tibetans are Chinese, too. I think you mean “Han are turning a blind eye” … ?

Saturday 7 March: TIBET FREEDOM MARCH & RALLY
Organised by a coalition of UK Tibet groups, this annual freedom march for Tibet is of greater significance than ever this year with it being the 50th commemoration of the Tibetan people’s uprising and one year on from the protests and demonstrations in Tibet that led to the death of over 200 Tibetans, with thousands more detained, summarily tried and draconian sentences being meted out. Today over 1,000 Tibetans remain missing. The march will be one of many being staged worldwide.

Key messages: “50 years too long: free Tibet now”; “50 years of resistance: Tibet will never die”; “Tibetans in Tibet: we stand with you”; “Stop the torture in Tibet”; Tibetans’ messages: “We are Tibetans not Chinese”; “China stole my land, my voice, my freedom”.

Rally at Trafalgar Square: from approx 1.15pm.

Speakers at the rally in Trafalgar square include: Tibetan, ex-political prisoner, Palden Gyatso, Norman Baker MP, Shao Jiang, writer on civil and human rights, and Tibetans living in the UK telling of their struggle.

** Palden Gyatso will be available for interviews.

Tuesday 10 March: WREATH LAYING AT MEMORIAL TO INNOCENT VICTIMS, WESTMINSTER ABBEY

Memorial to Innocent Victims, outside the Great West Door, Westminster Abbey
Time: 12.00 midday

A wreath laying ceremony in remembrance of those who have lost their lives or suffered torture and imprisonment as a result of China’s occupation of Tibet since 1950. The service will be conducted by the Dean of Westminster and His Eminence Dorje Dhenpa Rinpoche and has been arranged by the All Party Parliamentary Group for Tibet and Tibet Society.

Tuesday 10 March: MASS LOBBY AT HOUSE OF COMMONS, WESTMINSTER
Central Lobby, House of Commons, Westminster; Time: from 14.30

Mass Lobbies are being planned in capitals around the world to mark the 50th Anniversary of the Tibetan People’s Uprising including Brussels, London, New Delhi, Ottawa and Washington. A coalition of UK Tibet groups have organised a lobby day at Westminster to commemorate the Uprising and call on MPs to take action on their constituents’ urgent concerns about Tibet. A letter from the Coalition groups to the Prime Minister urging that he stand up and act for will be delivered by Palden Gyatso accompanied by a representative from each group to 10 Downing Street at 15.45pm.

Tuesday 10 March: CANDLELIT VIGIL AND PRAYERS OPPOSITE CHINESE EMBASSY

March 28 is Serf Emancipation Day, right?

WHERE IS THE COMPENSATION?

China “owned” Tibet for “700 years.”

Yet there was only serfdom in Tibet, not in Shanghai? Not in Beijing?? Not in Guangdong???

Tibetan “Chinese” people – you are owed BILLIONS of RMB from the Chinese government for its nationally-adminstered serfdom from 1309-1951!!!

It took the Chinese government 642 years to stop holding you as slaves, while other “Chinese” enjoyed freedom and happiness!!!!

This is discrimination of the WORST kind!!

MARCH 28, 2009: SERF COMPENSATION DAY! 642 Years of Chinese government failure!!

642 Movement!! [Hmm, like "6.4, II" !!]

The problem with these discussion is as follows–the pro-China people immediately are offended when someone doesn’t agree with them. Inversely, the pro-Tibet (or perhaps just anti-China) people, are super-hesitant to credit anything a pro-China person has to say. What ends up happening, to everyone’s misfortune, is there is no discussion. It’s just a vicious cycle of snapping back at someone to prove you’re smarter.

Learn to start a meaningful discussion, people. Stop talking DOWN to people. Both sides of the argument have merits, and acting like you know everything only prevents what blogs are meant to inspire–organized, diversified discussion on a common topic. I have been searching for a reasonably managed blog on Chinese issues for so long, but to no avail. Tibet is such a dirty topic and it’s just so disappointing to see that so few people can keep a level head when talking about it.

“The problem with these discussion is as follows–the pro-China people immediately are offended when someone doesn’t agree with them. Inversely, the pro-Tibet (or perhaps just anti-China) people, are super-hesitant to credit anything a pro-China person has to say.”

I think one has to separate regular Chinese people from the “internet commentators.” Unfortunately, the Internet Commentator program–and the leaking of its existence, its guidelines, and its payscale–has made netizens everywhere, Chinese and non-Chinese, on-guard and suspicious. If a “pro-China” post is to saccharine, too cut-n-paste, quoting government statistics, etc., people are immediately suspicious, and rightly so.

So if the “pro-China” person says these kinds of things, no one including actual Chinese people are going to credit them, because they don’t appear to be real conversation; people of all countries have a deep dislike for fakery, even if its fakery in defence of their own government.

However, the instinct to parry and thrust is a natural one, and all including myself could benefit from a more generous tone.

wallowinthemire:
Mission impossible — the pro-China folks and anti-China folks start a meaningful discussion.
These blogs are not meant for meaningful discussions. They are simply political propaganda of some sort.
But don’t worry. There are so many impossible missions around us. The pro-China Vs anti-China pair is just one of them.
Life will go on as it always does.
And the fate of Tibet is neither in the mouths of the pro-China folks nor the anti-China folks.
When God has decided that it’s time for China grow stronger as a united country, no body can stop it … no matter how much noise the anti-China clan may make.

Saulaan:

OK, so your ancestors have been in Lanzhou for a while. And let’s assume your “going to Tibet” and “returning from Tibet” fairy tale is not entirely fictionary (and thank you, for letting all of us know!)

Don’t get me wrong I am not blaming you as there are so many fairy tales floating around these days thanks to “borderless” reporters such as Simon Elegant.

What you did was simply throwing another piece of stone into an already stormy river(not the one in Lanzhou, that’s for sure).

And correctly me if I were wrong but it did appear that when you said you were from a missionary family you did not really mean “missionary” in its normal terms.

Saulaan the self-claimed missionary (with a good chance of misunderstaning the term missionary):

Cry, cry, cry … tears may be good weapons …
Lie, lie, lie … lies will surely fool the ignorants …

TIBET SIMMERING???

YOU BE THE JUDGE!
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Editorial Board: Nima Dorjee, Ryszard Cimek, Thubten (Sam) Samdup
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Issue ID: 2009/03/08
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Contents
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1. China clamps down ahead of Tibetan anniversary (AP)
2. Pro-Tibet supporters rally in London (UPI)
3. Tibetans Protest in Japan (SFT Japan)
4. Dalai leads prayer on anniversary of martial law in Lhasa (PTI)
5. China says Dalai Lama wants a ‘Greater Tibet’ (AFP)
6. Pro-democracy Chinese to join Tibet events in India (AFP)
7. Italian Delegation to Join Tibetans for Prayers on 10 March (CTA)
8. Live Webcast of Long Life Prayer Ceremony and Commemoration of 10 March (CTA)
9. Dalai Lama guard recalls leader’s dramatic escape (AFP)
10. Chinese official links Dalai Lama, serfdom (UPI)
11. Tensions high as China braces for Tibet protests (AFP)
12. Tibet’s 50 years of being too patient? (Times of India)
13. A website proprietor arrested in Gansu province (TCHRD)
14. Tibetan Artist an attraction at 2009 Venice Biennial (Phayul)
15. Calgary Welcomes Touring Tibetan Lamas from India (Phayul)

For those who may seek for self-enlightment, here is a pretty good article to read:
The shadow of the Dalai Lama: http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Part-2-16.htm
The most interesting and insightful part of this article, is the analysis of the strange marraige between the Dalai Lama clan and the western leftwing.

And certainly the current Daliar Lama himself, is a strange product for this strange marrage, from a Buddahism point of view.

Um, 2morrow2, huh? I think there’s no such thing as “normal missionary,” lol. But, yes my family were missionaries, Seventh Day Adventists. Quite a few missionary families in Lanchow [the spelling then.]

So what point are you challenging? We weren’t Christian, or…? I don’t get it…

As for that river, my uncle almost died in it.

there have been many studies on this issue. most agree that tibet was and has been for most of history a separate region with its own instituions etc. they had relations with china, cordial treaties etc but were never under china’s power or influence. also for all the comments of “go back to your country” thats a load of crap an excuse for people without any real argument. and it is true the CCP does filter a lot of media and information for example if the words “tank man” and typed into google images or wen search hundreds of links to the unnamed hero of that day come up however in china most if not all of those sites do not even register as search options hardely what i call a government which is not repressive.