China has Killed “Hundreds of Thousands” in Tibet, Dalai Lama

One of our commenters complained that I had not noted that the Dalai Lama said that China had killed “hundreds of thousands of Tibetans” in the interview I cited. Actually, it was a different speech, which you can read about here. He also said, among other things that Tibet had been turned into a “hell on earth” and that Tibetans could expect years more of fruitless negotiations with China. Pretty grim stuff. I’m not sure where the hundreds of thousands figure comes from and yes, it does seem as though it was plucked from the air. We’ll see if there’s any more detail forthcoming. Meanwhile, our colleague Madhur is currently in Dharamsala and filed this report.

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  • sing666

    Now, you know why I call him Dalai Lama the Holy Idiot.

  • chinatoon

    Lesson for today don’t get even…get odd!

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    6. If we want world peace, we must let go of our attachments and truly live like nomads. That’s where I no mad at you and you no mad at me. That way there will surely be nomadness on the planet. Peace begins with each of us. A little peace here, a little peace there. Pretty soon all the peaces will fit together to make one big peace everywhere.

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  • bluescreen2008

    Simon, thank you

  • bluescreen2008

    Simon,
    I actually complained that in an interview with a German press, the Dalai Lama accuse Chinese police staged the 2008 Lhasa riot and you failed to mention it. And the figure China had killed “hundreds of thousands of Tibetans” you can find here.
    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2007/s2213780.htm

  • bluescreen2008

    Hell or Paradise, all seems very strong religion words, maybe in the next step, the DL will call a holly war against China.

  • johnsmear

    What hell! I am quite suprised how Simon and other reporters could return from the hell?

  • johnsmith9876

    Another good news from China. Apparently, you can resolve any problem in business negotiation very rapidly in China.

    http://tinyurl.com/cqglpe

    See, what most people call hell could be heaven for some.

  • johnsmith9876

    A few hundred thousand ? That’s nothing compare with what Hans did to Hans in the 50′s and 60′s. Tibetans should count themselves lucky. If the CCP did what they did to the rest of China in Tibet, all Tibetans would be wiped out then, and CCP doesn’t have to finish the job now.

  • conscienceinchina

    Simon, the list below may be useful to you. I thing you must get what I mean, don’t you? (All names are arranged in random order):

    martindemars
    bluescreen2008
    bookevil
    sing666
    2morrow2
    baronvonkissalot
    triciatakanawa
    imagebilly
    refresh2009
    mel0809
    nanyangren
    morriscui
    jordancfan
    bibijaca
    johnsmear

    (coming soon)

  • johnsmear

    conscienceinchina or naziforchina? That is what you do everyday? Compiling a blacklist and blackmail them, and try to put them in jail?

  • bookevil

    @johnsmith9876:

    Yes. There were many Han Chinese died during CCP (which are mostly Han Chinese too)’s political movements, but how could it prove that “Hundreds of thousands of Tibetans were killed by CCP as well?

    Even DL failed to provide some lists with identified names of the so-called “killed hundreds of thousands of Tibetans”, what made you so sure the reality of the killing of “hundreds of thousands”? DL did provide a list of “died Tibetans in 3.14 Incident”. However, this list has been proved as a fake. Several people on that list are still alive, while the rest of them simply do not exist at all.

    Today, Mar. 10th, is such a rememberable date in human right history. Fifty years ago, DL was forced to flee out of Tibet. It meant that the bloody and dark Tibetan serfdom was fundamentally kicked into history. The issues on Tibetan serfdom has been so sensitive to him that DL had several times refused or avoided to answer on the questions, such as “What does he want to say on CCP’s accusing him as a political and spiritual head of the Tibetan serfdom?” And, thanks to the western journalists, like you Simon, this kind of questions were all censored from western news papers.

  • bookevil

    @conscienceinchina:
    Thank you so much. I have been thinking to make such a list for a long time. The people on your blacklist are the people, who I even want to thank since such a long time ago.

    Great and all-heart wishes to all you listed people. Your posts with strong sense of justice have told the world a real Tibet, which is completely different from the Tibet politically propagandized by western media. Your work is fully appreciated by the people willing to know the truth on Tibet. And, your country and people cannot be proud of you anymore.

    Again, conscienceinchina, thank you so much. Personally and particularly, for listing me on it as well.

  • martindemars

    This is just a reminder for Americans who are lack of knowledge. In 1995, US State Department reiterated its position during the hearing before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee:

    “The United States considers the Tibet Autonomous Region or TAR (hereinafter referred to as “Tibet”) as part of the People’s Republic of China. This longstanding policy is consistent with the view of the entire international community, including all China’s neighbors: no country recognizes Tibet as a sovereign state. Moreover, U.S. acceptance of China’s claim of sovereignty over Tibet predates the establishment of the People’s Republic of China. In 1942, we told the Nationalist Chinese government then headquartered in Chongqing (Chungking) that we had “at no time raised (a) question” over Chinese claims to Tibet.”

    BTW: I am on my own behavior. I have been studying and living in Houston for almost 10 years …. So don’t try to bash me as CCP web police. I paid by the state of Texas. And I have no any interest to discuss anything with trollers, racists, haters like: johnsmith, singh, and other new similar beings. Just do whatever you wanna do, and say whatever you wanna say. Just show your pathetic mindsets in whatever way you like. I don’t care. And I am not reading any of your comments. I just read and comment for time.com articles.

  • 2morrow2

    I should say again Simon’s latest blog entries deserve my respect, as a professional journalist.
    Not that I believe in and agree with every single words he had said, but that he had started to take a more objective approach on reporting, which is what a professional reporter sopposed to do … I think.
    As a reporter you should certainly put the Chinese government under scrutiny.
    At the same time, folks such as DaLiar Lama and his regime, should also not be exampted from being closely watched in terms of what they do and what they say; what they want you to believe and what you can actually belief based on the facts you see by your own eyes.
    At the end of the day, we as individuals should constantly examine our own “beliefs” against the “facts” and the logics amongst the “facts”. As “beliefs” that are not based on concrete “facts” and the reasonable “logics”, are “superstition”, and worse, they may not be too far away from “cults”.

  • 2morrow2

    Bookevil,
    I simply expressed my own opinions as an individual citizen of this planet, often about the blog entries I read, sometimes about my disgust towards the disgusting behaviour of a few as presented on this blog.

  • 2morrow2

    For God sake, Simon’s colleague’s recent report on life in Dharamsala finally unveils a very import “fact” that was completed neglected by the western media a year ago:
    That the 3-14 riot (or uprising, or whatever you wish to call it, depending on where your butt sit on the planet) was intentionally coordinated by DaDair and/or his regime via high-tech communication channels such as text messaging and blog.
    I certianly can’t blame them for their act as they were fighting a war.
    But I blame them for having lied to the world by claiming that they had nothing to do with the riot.
    I blame them for acting as a warrior but at the same time pretending to be a peace-lover.
    I blame them for fooling the world (perhaps the western world) by claiming ownership of buddhism.
    I blame the western media for intentionally (or not intentionally, but then unprofessionally) acting as the propaganda machine of Dharamsala.

  • tibet123

    Tibet has many monks, for each monk it takes many serfs to serve them. It was true during the European medieval period, it is true in Tibet. Western nations love to spread the gospel of democracy, but for Tibetans, all they deserve is theocracy. Last time a theocracy was born, it was in Iran, and United States got a headache ever since.

  • conscienceinchina

    五毛们,向我开炮吧!哈哈哈哈!
    你们可千万不要做贼心虚,又干出“此地无银三百两”的傻事来,在天下人面前自报家门,自揭身份。你们哪里看见有“黑名单”几个字?干吗一看见自己的马甲就心惊肉跳?其实这是一份“红名单”,“红卫兵”的“红”;“一颗红心向着党”的“红”;“祖国江山一片红”的“红”……你们为党国作出了巨大贡献,党会记住你们的功劳,就凭这一份名单,你们就可在党妈妈那里领取赏金了。好好干!继续努力!!

  • conscienceinchina

    To the “johnsmear”:
    “Blacklist”? Where have you found such word? Why do you always get such guilty and sensitive just saying “there’s no silver but 300 liang(此地无银三百两)”? That’s a “Red list” indeed! You are your fellows can get reward from your “party-mom” taking this “Red list”. Keep working!

    ——————————————-
    johnsmear Says:
    conscienceinchina or naziforchina? That is what you do everyday? Compiling a blacklist and blackmail them, and try to put them in jail?

  • conscienceinchina

    To the “bookevil”:

    Yeah! I want to appreciate them too. That’s actually a “Red list” recording their great job and effort and accomplishment. “Party-mom” will thank you and your comrades too.

    ———————————————
    bookevil Says:
    @conscienceinchina:
    …The people on your blacklist are the people, who I even want to thank since such a long time ago…Great and all-heart wishes to all you listed people…

  • conscienceinchina

    Correction: You and your fellows…

  • bluescreen2008

    Congratulation!
    You can put most Chinese in you list of Wu Mao on the issue of Tibet.
    If this is the way you see people who disagree with, then you are no difference as the evil communist party.

  • sing666

    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1884187-2,00.html
    I said it before and I am saying it again. Hollywood, Coca Cola, and drugs are bigger threat to Tibetan culture than any Chinese policy. Read the link and find out how Tibetan youth in India have become drug addicts and are being looked down upon by locals. It would be long before any anti-Tibetans riot breaks out in India.

  • chinatoon

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  • sing666

    I have a website for saving Tibetan activists sitting in Jail around the world. For every thousands donated to the account, I shall organize a month long protest around the world.

  • conscienceinchina

    To the “bluescreen2008″:

    Representing the “most Chinese” are one of you five-jiao’s tricks. When have the “most Chinese” authorized you to said that?
    ————————
    bluescreen2008 Says:
    …You can put most Chinese in you list of Wu Mao on the issue of Tibet…

  • conscienceinchina

    When the Tibetans resist the CCP’s torture, they are “separatists”;

    When the Han Chinese revolt the CCP’s suppression, they are “subversives”;

    When the foreigners support the democracy movement of China, they are “overseas anti-China forces or elements”!

    Look! they are CCP and their jackals “five-jiao”‘s favourite words. You can distinguish them by finding such words.

  • conscienceinchina

    Surely we are unable to list those Tibetans who were killed by the CCP, but does that mean that CCP never killed Tibetans? Absurdity! More than 100 million people have been killed all over the world in the communism movement, including 80 million in China. Can you list all the victims’ names?

  • bluescreen2008

    conscienceinchina
    You are mental

  • bluescreen2008

    keep barking keep dancing

  • bluescreen2008

    Keep barking and keep dancing
    so you can keep profit your Five Dollar Coins. Keep you get employed. This is the only way keep you living. You have no other skills.

  • imagebilly

    conscienceinchina,

    As you’ve put my name in your list, it is apparent that you’ve read my comments before. Thank you for reading them and (subtly) letting me know you have a different opinion.

    Again, whatever the nature of or reasons for you grievance, you have my sympathy.

    I respect His Highness the DL – he is not a good politican but nevertheless he is a good man and I try to learn from him and wish to see this good old man back to home. But the western liberals are doing a great disservice to him and pulling him further and further away from Lhasa, lest his return deprives them their wonder dildo.

    Pity you and chinatoon get mad. I know it hurts to feel helpless and desperate, but it doesn’t solve the problem.

  • johnsmith9876

    “This is just a reminder for Americans who are lack of knowledge. In 1995, US State Department reiterated its position during the hearing before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee:”

    Since we all know that the US government, especially the State Department, lies. So, the opposite of whatever they say must be true!!!

  • johnsmith9876

    “There were many Han Chinese died during CCP (which are mostly Han Chinese too)’s ”

    That’s why I insisted that Han Chinese killing Han Chinese is normal, usual, everyday affair, that no one should pay any attention, and should not be considered as anything wrong. It is when Japanese or Americans killing Han Chinese that’s news, and should capture all the interest of everyone human being.

  • bookevil

    conscienceinchina:
    Are you ok? Does not look so. You are so incredibly convinced that we are all receiving 7 cents (50 cents or Wu-Mao in Chinese currency) to post for China here. As a health care worker in US, most of my salary is from federal health-care budget. 7 cents is just so negligible even compared to my hourly wage. Why would I spend time on posting here to earn so little, while I could get a lot more by simply leaving even one minute later at my work? You would be, in the world, the only one, who believes such silly a thing must be real.

    100 millions? 80 millions in China only? Even the most anti-communist scholars had not given such an unlikely data. How would you even fake it so UNFROFESSIONALLY? DL used to claim that one million Tibetan had been massacred by CCP. But, after analyzing the related demographic data, some scholars pointed out that it was unlikely to make the Tibetan population to the current 6 million, if one million Tibetan had been killed in the past 50 year. That eventually shut up DL from repeating it, at least not in public. Now, he shrinked it from one million to “hundreds of thousands” with a couple of obviously faked lists. But you know what the most ridiculous part is, even the faked names have not make the total even close to “hundreds of thousands”.

    But, do not be so upset. You did have one point right: CCP did kill many Tibetans, while DL would not provide the details about those Tibetans killed by CCP. For instance, the Tibetan Buddhism Monks, who killed their Tibetan serfs to get their fresh organs for religious ceremonies, were either executed by CCP or beaten to death by the families of dead serfs after 1959.

  • zhihua777

    Come on. His Holiness is a deity. What he says must be true.

  • saulaan

    “继续努力!!”

    Lol, conscienceinchina, I think I’m in love with you :)

    Seriously, it’s so wonderful to read your posts, and remind myself that not all “netizens” are Wu Mao, even today.

    You rock :)

  • saulaan

    “…the western liberals are doing a great disservice to him and pulling him further and further away from Lhasa, lest his return deprives them their wonder dildo.”

    Imagebilly, after Xinhua has printed endless articles about the evil Dalai Clique, evil Tibetans murdering shop girls on the orders of the Dalai Lama, slave society run by the Dalai Lama, skinning people alive under the Dalai Lama, cutting off people’s hands at the orders of the Dalai Lama – - and, oh, thousands upon thousands of “netizens” (I call them “not-izens”) posting “kill Tibetans!” and “Kill the Dalai Lama!”…

    After all this, you’re going to say WESTERNERS are pulling him farther from Lhasa??

    The CCP has screwed this up irreversibly.

    If they tried to “allow” the Dalai Lama to come back now, China would riot, thanks to the “Great Year of Disinformation.” Be real.

  • 2morrow2

    Thanks to his xxx-ness DaLair Lama Saulaan the self-claimed descendant of a missionary family who does not appear to understand the meaning of missionary began to write sentences in English, in stead of punching out words picked up from dictionary.
    Congratulations!
    Now, do you know what you are talking about?

  • 2morrow2

    imagebilly Says:

    “I respect His Highness the DL – he is not a good politican but nevertheless he is a good man and I try to learn from him and wish to see this good old man back to home. But the western liberals are doing a great disservice to him and pulling him further and further away from Lhasa, lest his return deprives them their wonder dildo.”

    Just for the sake of argument imagebilly:

    How do you know it is not in fact the other way around?

    I mean, the western liberals have been used by his xxx-ness instead of using his xxx-ness to pursue their own political ideology?

    Just a friendly challenge?

  • baronvonkissalot

    You are over estimate them.

    This is a fashion show by people from the beautiful people club like Dick Gere, Mia Farrow and their kind. They can not even spell liberal.

    Western liberals is a well respected group for their ability to think independently.

    When you get the beautiful picture from Dalai, a true liberal will want to see what is under it, what was truly the life of the people of Tibet was living under his rule like? Here is a starter
    http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

  • conscienceinchina

    To all the “five-jiaos(五毛党)”:

    Once people see through your figures, what you are working hard for is meaningless, even disgusting. Here I will present this “Red list” once again, despite you are pleasant or not.

    Honor Roll (All names are arranged in random order):

    martindemars
    bluescreen2008
    bookevil
    sing666
    2morrow2
    baronvonkissalot
    triciatakanawa
    imagebilly
    refresh2009
    mel0809
    nanyangren
    morriscui
    jordancfan
    bibijaca
    johnsmear

    (coming soon)

  • conscienceinchina

    Hack the “five-jiao-party (In chinese: 五毛党, the CCP-hired internet commentator. They are said to be paid five jiao—half a yuan—for each their online comment. They are rampant everywhere to cheat people and help the CCP regime. They are a group of most low-grade animals)”!!

  • imagebilly

    saulaan,

    To conscienceinchina, anyone who has a different view to him is wu mao. It seems that you are in the same league with him. I sense your burning rage and feel sorry for you.

    The CCP didn’t screw up, as they do what they want to do – they screwed YOU up (there is a difference) and that’s why you are mad.

    But getting mad and whimpering around (seems to be what the western liberals are best at) get you nowhere. Anyone who’ve achieved not a single bit of real progress in their stated objectives in a span of 50 years are losers by definition, regardless of others’ moral standing. My sympathy is with them and I hope they can reflect on what went wrong with their strategy.

    But I have no sympathy for the CCP, for they don’t need. In 1927, the CCP was bloodily suppressed by the KMT and truly “hundreds of thousands” (if not millions) of them died in the struggle that ensued. Guess what … they didn’t whimper. 22 years later they are in power. If you don’t like it, do the same.

    It seems to me, my friend, what you are asking for is sympathy rather than pragmatic progress. You want to enjoy the fruit of revolution yet you expect others the take the risks and, when others have a better idea, you get mad at them and call them wu mao.

    The lama who set himself on fire has my respect. Until the day I see you disappearing from this board and doing the same (or better yet, starting a revolution in China), what I have for you is sympathy … sympathy only.

  • imagebilly

    2morrow2,

    It doesn’t matter. Whatever flaws DL has, I see a good man inside him. He is not good at politics (perhaps being a good man and being a good politician are mutually exclusive) and naive, that’s why often you see him not doing exactly smart things.

    I don’t worry a bit about the CCP. History shows that they are extremely capable at taking care of their own business. If they allow DL back, you can be sure that they will have the situation fully in control on their terms, which I don’t care as long as DL can be back.

  • johnsmear

    I am horrified by the way conscienceinchina behaves. He will put you in a blacklist if he doesn’t like you. This is exactly the way Nazi or Stalin did. If let this kinds of people running China, I am sure China will be in bloodshed. This is exactly why I don’t like 民运分子to rule this country. They are the worst combination of 造反派,纳粹分子,和自由派。That will be horrible.

  • johnsmith9876

    Mmmm… may be those Chinese gymnasts didn’t lie about their age in the 2008 Olympics?
    http://news.xinhuanet.com/sports/2009-03/11/content_10989740.htm

  • johnsmith9876

    A Chinese official has just declared that the reincarnation of DL must be approved by the CCP. See, you can’t event escape the CCP in death!! It owns you this incarnation and your next, and your next… So, give up and submit.

    Hmm… Does that mean CCP, a self proclaimed atheistic organization, is admitting reincarnation as real ?

    Oh, by the way, CCP justified its authority based on a Qing Dynasty edict. That means CCP today is just as justified as Qing was a few hundred years ago, right after Qing had invaded and conquored Tibet. That also mean CCP is endorsing the invasion and the atrocity by the Qing. It also means CCP today is no better than the Qing a few hundred years ago. That’s great achievement for the CCP.

    And, of course, CCP still cannot tell the difference between authorized from moral, ethical, fair, appropriate, beneficial, and right. And all Chinese cops are authorized to arrest anybody on the street. And therefore it is always right for them to do so, any time, anywhere, with or without reasons.

  • conscienceinchina

    Ummm…Identification finished. So far most of the “five-jiaos” have confessed their identities. Sometimes I have an idea, that maybe a dozen of “five-jiao”‘s usernames is just registered by one or perhaps a couple of guys wearing a variety of coats, isn’t it? That’s not impossible! Such trick is often applied by the jackals to aggrandize their sounds.

  • conscienceinchina

    johnsmear(not a five-jiao, believe?)Says:

    I am horrified by the way conscienceinchina behaves. He will put you in a blacklist if he doesn’t like you. This is exactly the way Nazi or Stalin did. If let this kinds of people running China, I am sure China will be in bloodshed. This is exactly why I don’t like 民运分子to rule this country. They are the worst combination of 造反派,纳粹分子,和自由派。That will be horrible.

  • bookevil

    johnsmith9876:
    Even DL is more reasonable than you for this matter.
    Approving the incarnation of a Dalai Lama has been the absolute and historic right of any central government of China for about 300 years. Without the formal approving of Chinese central government, the title of “Dalai Lama” cannot be given to anyone. The title of “Dalai Lama the Fourteenth” was approved and given to the current Dalai Lama by central government of former “Republic of China”. Since even DL has no interest in denying such an authority, why would you even bother?

  • conscienceinchina

    You surely “don’t like 民运分子to rule this country”, but your party-mom! Because not only would you lose your job, but even, send yourself in jail, if your predicttion would be come true. So you “will be horrified” consequentially!

    You guys are the cheapest laborer among all the flunkies hired by the CCP. For such a hand-to-mouth income left by your “party-moms” after their eating, drinking, f*cking, plundering and migrating, you are “horrifying” all day and all night, worthless! After all, the time when the CCP collapse is the day of your Black Friday.

  • conscienceinchina

    You surely “don’t like 民运分子to rule this country”, but your party-mom! Because not only would you lose your job, but even, send yourself in jail, if your predicttion would be come true. So you “will be horrified” consequentially!

    You guys are the cheapest laborers among all the flunkies hired by the CCP. For such a hand-to-mouth income left by your “party-moms” after their eating, drinking, f*cking, plundering and migrating, you are “horrifying” all day and all night, worthless! After all, the time when the CCP collapse is the day of your Black Friday.

  • bluescreen2008

    conscienceinchina
    All you can do is accusing someone else disagree with you as Wu Mao.
    Is it the way you run your Epochtimes or performance you Divine Arts, profit your five dollar coins? Poor performance! If you keep barking this way , your master will be very disappointed.

  • saulaan

    barron, I’ve never been in the presence of Mia Farrow or Richard Gere. I really don’t care what they think or don’t think; maybe we’re not as “star crazed” here in the states, as other places are. I have been to a teaching by the Dalai Lama.

    I don’t need Michael Parenti to tell me what Tibet was like, my own uncle has told me. Parenti’s version sounds nothing like the real Tibet. At any rate, his family hasn’t lived in China, mine has. So faced with a choice, I’ll believe my family’s description (and photographs, and letters) about what life was like in Lanzhou, China, and neighboring Tibet.

    =
    beautiful people club like Dick Gere, Mia Farrow and their kind…When you get the beautiful picture from Dalai, a true liberal will want to see what is under it, what was truly the life of the people of Tibet was living under his rule like? Here is a starter…

  • saulaan

    For that matter, Barron, are you even from western China? If not, you don’t even know what life is like in the west of China, much less Tibet. I know how it works–people from Beijing and other “civilized” parts of China look down even on Southern Chinese, much less western rural Chinese, and much less, Tibetans.

  • 2morrow2

    Imagebilly,
    “Doesn’t matter” may be a very good answer. At the end of the day, perhaps nobody, including Dalair himself, knows who this interplay works between the two sides.
    I have watched a couple of interviews with Daliar by “western media” recently. My gut tells me that this 73-year-old is a fairly good actor before camera, perhaps better than Richard fu*ck’en Gere. He almost always smiled, and laughed, when he was confronted with challenging questions … but then if you looked into his eyes, you found no smile …
    It is perfectly fine with me if he is in fact of politician because politicians are by nature lairs.
    But this man is half monk half politician,which is unfortunate. He could have been a great monk if he were not involved in politics.
    At the age of 17, he must be an innocent young monk …
    So, may be you are right, in a sense that the forces to transform a young innocent monk to a master of propaganda came from ourside.

  • 2morrow2

    Well, Saulaan the self-claimed descendant of a missionary family who apparently does not know what missionary means:
    You finally touched upon an interesting subject: discrimination. Discrimination does exist, in China, and the rest of the world. Look around the place where you live, and I am assuming you are in the “free world” now, it should not take you long to find evidences of discrimination regardless how liberal the environment you are in may appear to be.
    Take a deep breath and ask yourself, have you ever discriminated anybody around you?

  • 2morrow2

    On another not Imagebilly,
    Your observation/conclusion about Saulaan the self-claimed descendant of a missionary family who apparently does not know what missionary means is quite accurate.
    These people alined themselves along what the President Bush once called axis of (China-bashing) evil.

  • conscienceinchina

    Look the typical “five-jiao” tone:

    (bluescreen2008 Says:
    “conscienceinchina
    All you can do is accusing someone else disagree with you as Wu Mao.
    Is it the way you run your Epochtimes or performance you Divine Arts, profit your five dollar coins? Poor performance! If you keep barking this way , your master will be very disappointed.”)

    *To the WM “bluescreen2008”:

    The more you bark, the more you show the hoof.
    Yeah, almost all I can do here is exposing you Wumaos’ tricks. How can we ordinarily discuss or debate with a low-grade animal as Wumao who is selling its soul and conscience?

    You mentioned the “Epochtimes” and the “Divine Arts” and look them your and your master’s enemy, of course they are! Though I am not a believer of “Falungong”, I trust most of their views rather than your CCTV and Xinhua. If all Chinese can read them, the CCP and you Wumaos must be smashed quicklier!!

  • justrecently

    President Bush was a China-basher?

  • justrecently

    Umm, I mean, George Bush identified an axis of China-bashing evil?

  • bluescreen2008

    conscienceinchina
    You see this is the problem.
    It is nothing wrong you practise FLG and hate CCP. I hate CCP too. The problem is FLG provided to be a big liar. FLG and CCP are in the same catalogue. And FLG’s followers like you inherited CCP’s character, accusing, lying and barking (propaganda). These don’t benefit your missionary work at all.

  • conscienceinchina

    To the “bluesreen2008”:

    You are the cleverest one among all the Wumaos(five-jiao), but you are still exposing your deadly mistake and ignorance.

    “FLG and CCP are in the same catalogue”? are they?!

    Even though the “FLG” were “accusing, lying, barking”, just as you said. Yet the CCP is devouring, squandering, raping, outraging, decaying, plundering, cheating, barring, banning, censoring, scouring, covering, blocking, torturing, afflicting, threatening, murdering, killing, butchering, destroying……ing!!! There’s no crime they have never committed!!! How can the “FLG” and CCP stand “in the same catalogue”? In fact, I have never found what the “FLG” has done wrong, though I dislike their missionizing. But, they are legal organization(or, religion) all over the world, except the CCP China, so missionizing is their freedom, isn’t it? I just know that a fearful number of them have been detained, tortured, even killed by the CCP, due to their insistence of telling the truths!!!

    Tips: One of the Wumao tricks is, pretending to “hate the CCP”. Haha! On this point, they are still clear-headed, because they know that no one will be cheated if they directly admit to “love the CCP”. So they have created a skill “slight scolding, for great helping(小骂大帮忙)”. While they are lightly alleging “hate the CCP”, “the evil CCP”, and words like that, they are firmly standing on the side of they masters when facing the key points, such as Tibet, Taiwan, Falungong, democracy movement, ect. Such issues are a touchstone for distinguishing the Wumaos and CCP spies.

  • baronvonkissalot

    saulaan,

    So far you have yet to come up with anything to refute what Michael Parenti stated in his research other than those unsurprising out burst of childish denial.

    As for your questioning of my credentials, I have seen by my own eye the order of a “wet skin” by DaLai Lama himself to celebrate his own birthday. you know what “wet skin” is, do you? You also not answering my question about what normal people’s life was, not just your uncle, but hundreds of thousands of tibetans. You choose to see what you want to see, that is your problem.

  • chinatoon

    A dark curtain is being pulled across Tibet for the 50-year anniversary of the 1959 Tibetan uprising — foreign media detained and expelled, armed troops patrolling the streets, the coordinated arrests of monks. Now the Chinese government has even cut phone networks to prevent communication between Tibetans, closing off vital information channels to the outside world. It is vital that we keep a multi-channel communication highway open — allowing Tibetans to broadcast reports of arrests, rights violations and protests, and providing vital information to Tibetans about their community and the world.

    As Avaaz members, who experience the power of technology daily, we have the understanding and the power to help draw the curtain on the blackout. With new technologies, governments cannot forever control the flows of information, but if we don’t act quickly, Tibetan isolation will continue, their plight increasingly forgotten behind an impenetrable firewall.

    Here is what the Dalai Lama says about Voice of Tibet, which your donation would go towards supporting: “This is the only radio service in [the] Tibetan language with a Tibetan editorial board in charge allowing us [Tibetans] to comment on events of Tibetan interest from our perspective…. I would appreciate [...] if sympathetic organizations and individuals could help Voice of Tibet continue functioning for many more years to come.” But with shrinking funds, even this station is considering cutting programs for the year. Consider donating to show your support for Tibet today:

    https://secure.avaaz.org/en/tibetan_blackout_video/50.php

    Freedom of information is important to the survival of Tibetan culture, vital to prevent further human rights abuses and a key ingredient in securing Tibetan autonomy. It is also a key way to reach out to progressive Chinese in China, many of whom are looking for alternative perspectives and information. As a global community, we can help ensure access to reliable information for Tibetans, Chinese and those of us who are in the world beyond the veil.

  • 2morrow2

    justrecently Says:President Bush was a China-basher?

    No, he or the folks around him invented the term axis of evil.

    To build on that, one can certainly find out that there seems to exist an axis of China-bashing evil.

    And BTW, Mr. Bush is generally a reasonable person on the China file. Just listen to what he said during an interview with NBC after the Open Ceremony of the Olympic Games. He seems to have a much better understanding about China comparing to many ignorant western liberals and interestingly enough the far right.

    So, an interesting axis of China-bashing evil does exist, doesn’t it?

  • justrecently

    a) No… not surprising that Mr Bush’s “China file” looks reasonable to you. That fits pretty well into his records in general.
    b) I’d say an axis is only evil when it does evil. What kind of evil do you think the China-bashing axis is doing?

  • johnsmith9876

    b) Bashing an evil empire is never evil.

  • 2morrow2

    Do I have to explain to you what kind of evil does the China-bashing asxi is doing?
    Then what are we doing here?

  • 2morrow2

    Oh, I say read all of the wastes dumped by J9876 and the alike on this post here, you should have a pretty good sense about the evil the China-bashing axis is doing.
    Or perhaps you wish to join them and dump some as well?
    Then taste them. It’s your choice.
    But your appreciation of the wastes won’t turn them into nutritious meals.

  • 2morrow2

    Unless, well, you believe that your appreciation have the magic to do what a photosynthetic process can do …

  • justrecently

    2morrow2: You’ve written a lot of stuff. Why don’t you put an answer to my question instead? If there is one, it might be shorter, and less complicated.

  • saulaan

    barron, it’s obvious you’re not even from western China.

    If you want to know what life in western China is like, and what life in Tibet is like, you need to go there or speak with a trust family member who has spent more than a couple days there. My family was there for decades.

    I think you guys are comfortably crowing from some office in the west or maybe Beijing; both equally distant from the west of China, in many ways.

    Parenti has never lived in western China or Tibet.

    So, go there and judge for yourself; don’t rely on an author from NYC who’s just out to make a buck.

  • conscienceinchina

    The five-jiaos(Wumaos) are the axis of the Axis of evil.

  • proud2bchinkxx

    This is all nonsence…
    Dalai lama is not a good person.
    half a century ago in Tibet, the rich and the poor were so different, the poor people were treated like dogs by the rich and everything in Tibet were so messed up. until the chinese government saved them, they worked so hard to make tibet like it is today.
    The reason Dalai Lama is so upset at the chinese government is that he was going to take over Tibet but the Chinese sent him to u.s and didnt allow him to come back.
    I have no idea how he got so famous but i am a tibetan myself and hardly any people living in tibet (except for monks) thinks that chinese is bad.
    By the way the tibetan terists killed waaaaaay more chinese then they killed us.
    Sorry for u people who will get upset from reading this but it’s all true.

  • justrecently

    If this was all nonsense, there would be no need for the Chinese authorities to beef up their security forces in Tibet around certain “sensitive” times of the year. All the talk about stability isn’t about terrorism – it is about a disturbed relationship between the ruled and their rulers – the Chinese government. The monks alone would be no danger to stability, no matter what they think.
    Sorry, proud2b, but your statement means very little. If you want to convince the world, let any correspondents from any place report from there – and some independently conducted opinion polls would be nice, too.

  • dunklerlord

    “Hundreds of Thousands” Tibetans were killed by the Chinese?

    This number isn´t really surprising.
    During the Tibetan uprising 1959 alone 86000 Tibetans were killed.
    Then there was the Cultural Revolution, where countless Tibetans were killed.

    Let´s look at the Chinese statistics:

    According to the Chinese statistcs of the census of population 2003, about 5.4 millions ethnic Tibetans live in China.[1]

    According to China’s State Statistical Bureau 1959,the Tibetan population stood at 6.3 millions. [People's Daily, Beijing, 10 November, 1959][2]

    Well, we know that the ethnic Chinese population has grown from 500 millions people in the 1950s to 1.2 billions today.

    So, why has the ehnic Tibetan population in Cina even declined so much since 1959??

    [1]
    Chinese:
    http://news.beifabook.com/HTML/qianyan/qianyan/2008/06/200806020435493549.shtml

    [2]
    English:
    http://www.tibet.com/WhitePaper/white8.html

  • nanyangren

    http://www.russiatoday.com/Top_News/2009-03-18/How_CIA_helped_Dalai_Lama_to_end_up_in_exile.html

    Before you start yelling Free Tibet, please have some knowledge first. Stupidity comes from ignorance.

  • 2morrow2

    Independently conducted opinion polls is indeed a good idea.
    But then what?

  • justrecently

    Information is always useful. After some independent opinion polls, we can review Nyima Cering’s statement that Tibetan people cherish their current happy lives as they cherish their eyes. And proud2b will know if his views are in tune with that of most Tibetans or not. Besides, I’m wondering how a government can think of itself as good when it doesn’t even allow feedback. So information might also lead to more efficient government.

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    [...] down upon by locals. It would be long before any anti-Tibetans riot breaks out in India. “ sing666, commenter on Time China Blog, March [...]

  • saulaan

    Terrible, terrible new footage showing handcuffed Tibetans being beaten last March. This destroys any claim that Tibetans weren’t beaten, and destroys the claim that the soldiers “patrolling” Lhasa are “unarmed.” Sickening, but the sad reality. Hell on earth.

  • johnsmith9876

    “Sorry for u people who will get upset from reading this but it’s all true.”

    The only true part you wrote was “I have no idea how he got so famous”

  • jordancfan

    Dalai Lama Dilemma.

    By: Jordan C. Fan, Prophet of Environment.

    While the Dalai Lama has received unprecedented attentions by ignorant Westerners, his theology is really too ordinary to even sweep across Chinese minds. In our mysterious Far East, people like Dalai Lama are everywhere and simply too numerous to be of any interest to anyone. This is true not just near the Himalayas but also in every town, village and house across China, India and Indochina. Although I am a Prophet or Grand Master of all clairvoyants, there are countless others with minor abilities to communicate with the spiritual world.

    There are millions of people including other Buddhist monks in China who can tell the fortune of other individuals with extreme accuracy even up to the hour about when a person would die. Some people could, on a routine basis, communicate with the dead or evil spirits everyday. They could also pinpoint the exact locations with instructions from a ghosts to know exactly where they had hidden certain objects of importance. Others could conduct seances to summon spirits from another world who are truly present at the scenes. The Chinese “Hitting of the Not So Big Man” similar to voodoo could injure or even kill people hundreds if not thousands of miles away. Southeast Asian Goong Tauu could force some people’s cheating love ones’ miraculously return to homes from far away places or face fatal consequences. A lot of people can write thousands of pages of meaningful texts automatically without even opening up their eyes or use their minds. All these should serve as warnings to Americans and Europeans not to mess around with Asians or we will definitely strike back.

    Those European and American Dalai Lama supporters are in fact teasing and laughing at the Tibetans and other Buddhists for not being allowed to conceive by drawing the world’s attention on them. Such practices of abstinent are no strangers to Asian cultures. There were always thousands of eunuchs resided in Asian palaces through the centuries. All were not allowed to conceived for the security of those monarchies. Then there are always people who simply refuse to have sex. Americans have always joked about the baldness of Tibetans. Quite obviously, they should first laugh at Obama because even his name is bald! Obama supports Tibetans simply due to their common hair styles and to defeat China but use other reasons as excuses. Those foreigners are simply trying to be nasty in taking this opportunity to humiliate at Eastern culture. Such unethically foreign habits must be frowned upon and stopped by all Asians immediately.

    People similar to the Tibetans can be found everywhere in the United States. First, there are special ancient religious tribes such as Jews, Shakers, Mormons, Amish, Mennonite and many more… There are also new denominations and cults. Many of them occupy exclusive area almost comparable to Tibet. I won’t even dare to count those many numerous native Indian tribes and sub-tribes. There are also Cajuns and others groups living in the Louisiana Bayou and Florida Everglades. Many atrocities such as the massacre at Waco, Texas by the U. S. FBI, under the direction of Democrats, were examples of the American government’s mistreatments of minorities, so why don’t the Europeans criticize Americans? If I discussed such problems in Europe, it will take me an extra ten years and another ten thousand pages. I am not sure I will live that long?

    Now we should discuss the issues of majorities, minorities, tribes and nomads living in China. Nomads, similar to gypsy, are foreigners who are passing through China and should not be counted as minorities but migrants or foreigners. There are in fact more than ten thousand majorities and minorities living in China. In addition to Han, Manchurian, Mongolian, Muslim and Tibetan who should really be considered as majorities not minorities because there are other tribes living in Sichuan and Yunnan who are truly minorities. In additional Hakka, Cantonese, South China Sea Islanders, Taiwanese and Shanghai people should also be counted as minorities which may also deserve some special and favorable treatments. In addition, there are always many people in different towns and villages who have very different cultural habits different from ordinary Chinese who wanted to counted as distinct people. The population of some of those people could even equal to the Tibetan population if not exceeded it. Many of those people entered this Chinese melting pot after the Tibetans.

    Since the inception of the People’s Republic, China have been treating Tibetans very well by investing hundreds of billions yuans into Tibet for Tibetan welfare. This is even more so than other majorities and minorities elsewhere.

    No country should waste their time and resource tending to such mammoth and unimportant issues while the Environment is fast deteriorating.

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