More Tibet Video

Austin’s point about blocking youtube is well taken. I too pretty much ignored the videos as being hard to verify (though they look convincing). But in the last couple of days a bunch of people have asked me about the youtube blocking and what caused it, and if Austin hadn’t beaten me to it, I was going to post about. . For the record, incidentally, the youtube video isn’t the only one. There are two more videos here. All require getting around the Great Firewall of course if you are in China.

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  • johnsmith9876

    This is a fun piece. I do agree that people who want to publish the wealth of public officials have ulterior motives. These people must be dealt with harshly to keep China stable and harmonized. And Wen is handling the situation extremely well, for himself and for the good of CCP.

    http://www.baozuitun.com/blog/?p=61

  • mimihappier

    Sorry for my slowness…I’ve finally realized that the blockage of YouTube was probably due to the “grass-mud horse” alike.

    Simon,
    You people are helping the Chinese internet police rid of all “yellow/brown/coffee-color tainted” sites such as YouTube because some of you western journalists were overly enthusiastic for reporting something like “f..k your mother”.

  • ffmiddlejohnson

    Simon,

    The video looks convincing to you?

    How come the bats used in the beating look like rubber bands?

    Please inform His Holiness this kinds of video do more harm than good to his cause.

  • dunklerlord

    well,
    is this so surprising? The brutality of the Chinese miliary Police against demonstrators is well-known in China.
    However, the brutaliy of the Chinese military police as shown in this video would cause even more hatred of Tibetan people towards the Chinese rule.
    The Chinese government could contain the Tibetan protests by force. But if one day the central power of the CCP collapsed, which would certainly occur someday as the CCP refuses to make political reform and no dictatorship can rule forever, then there is a great danger that the Tibetan independence-movement would get out of control.

  • 2morrow2

    Amazing!
    This video is actually posted on the exile government’s official website …
    So, the Dalair is willing to create a warm atmosphere for dialogue with the Chinese government as he claimed to his western audients?
    P.S, is it a coincedence that this youtube scandal occurs shortly after Dalair was rejected by the government of South America for a visa to enter into the country?

  • 2morrow2

    Just as an observation of reviewing the website link provide by Simon:
    Everybody on the planet knows the Chinese government stupidly operates a huge machine of propoganda.
    So does every other country although some countries do so in a more subtle and sophisticated way.
    Aside from the propaganda, however, the Chinese government does provide some useful information on its website.
    The exile government, on the other hand, provides nothing but lie-based propaganda.

  • 2morrow2

    Re hard to verify (though they look convincing):

    That’s the art of Hollywood, Mr.Simon Elegant.
    You don’t actually have to verify scenes in a 007 movie (say about the former USSR or North Korea) but they, including the Bond Girl, look convincing.

    They look convincing because the those who will be convinced have been ready to be convinced and would like to be convinced even before the show

  • saulaan

    Well, dear River Crabs, if the video weren’t real, YouTube wouldn’t have been blocked.

    Tibetans are posting this video, while requesting dialogue, because for 60 years China as a nation, and now Chinese people themselves, have denied–and denied, and denied, and denied–that anything bad is happening to Tibetans in Tibet.

    Until you drop the blind denials, and open your eyes, and see Tibetans with open minds and hearts, see what their lives are really like, there can be little hope of progress.

  • beyoundarchi

    Here is an interesting talk by one journalist who was on site 14 march. last year.
    I suggest that it in some way could offer a clearer picture of what happened.

    http://fora.tv/2008/07/09/Earthquakes_and_Games_The_Economist_Covers_China#chapter_10

  • chinatoon

    Denial is endemic in China, and the ccps’ counter intuitive approach to governing is documented in Wikipedia for those suffering from this mental illness.
    Most of you ‘Tinsel Towners’, should take in account that your mania is well documented, and there is a cure.

    Types of Denial
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    DARVO:
    A common strategy to Deny the Abuse and then attack the victim for attempting to make them accountable for their offence, thereby Reversing Victim and Offender. “”…I have observed that actual abusers threaten, bully and make a nightmare for anyone who holds them accountable or asks them to change their abusive behavior. This attack, intended to chill and terrify, typically includes threats of law suits, overt and covert attacks on the whistle-blower’s credicility, and so on….. [T]he offender rapidly creates the impression that the abuser is the wronged one, while the victim or concerned observer is the offender. Figure and ground are completely reversed… The offender is on the offense and the person attempting to hold the offender accountable is put on the defense.
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    Denial of fact:
    This form of denial is where someone avoids a fact by lying. This lying can take the form of an outright falsehood, leaving out certain details in order to tailor a story, or by falsely agreeing to something (assent, also referred to as “yessing” behavior). Someone who is in denial of fact is typically using lies in order to avoid facts that they think may be potentially painful to themselves or others.
    —————————————————————
    Denial of responsibility:
    This form of denial involves avoiding personal responsibility by blaming, minimizing or justifying. Blaming is a direct statement shifting culpability and may overlap with denial of fact. Minimizing is an attempt to make the effects or results of an action appear to be less harmful than they may actually be. Justifying is when someone takes a choice and attempts to make that choice look okay due to their perception of what is “right” in a situation. Someone using denial of responsibility is usually attempting to avoid potential harm or pain by shifting attention away from themselves.
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    Denial of impact:
    Denial of impact involves a person’s avoiding thinking about or understanding the harms his or her behavior has caused to self or others. Doing this enables that person to avoid feeling a sense of guilt and it can prevent him or her from developing remorse or empathy for others. Denial of impact reduces or eliminates a sense of pain or harm from poor decisions.
    ———————————————————————–
    Denial of awareness:
    This type of denial is best discussed by looking at the concept of state dependent learning[2]. People using this type of denial will avoid pain and harm by stating they were in a different state of awareness
    —————————————————————–
    Denial of cycle:
    Many who use this type of denial will say things such as, “it just happened.” Denial of cycle is where a person avoids looking at their decisions leading up to an event or does not consider their pattern of decision making and how harmful behavior is repeated. The pain and harm being avoided by this type of denial is more of the effort needed to change the focus from a singular event to looking at preceding events. It can also serve as a way to blame or justify behavior.
    ——————————————————————
    Denial of denial:
    This can be a difficult concept for many people to identify with in themselves, but is a major barrier to changing hurtful behaviors. Denial of denial involves thoughts, actions and behaviors which bolster confidence that nothing needs to be changed in one’s personal behavior. This form of denial typically overlaps with all of the other forms of denial, but involves more self-delusion.

  • chinatoon

    CATCH 22
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    Ha, hah, ha….guess you la-la east racist will have nothing to say since you will be in denial of one of the above categories.

  • sing666

    1. Denial is endemic in the CIRCLE WITH DALAI LAMA THE HOLY IDIOT, and the DALAI LAMA THE HOLY IDIOTs’ counter intuitive approach to governing is documented in Wikipedia for those suffering from this mental illness.
    Most of you ‘Tinsel Towners’, should take in account that your mania is well documented, and there is a cure.
    Types of Denial
    ————————————————————-
    DARVO:
    A common strategy to Deny the Abuse and then attack the victim for attempting to make them accountable for their offence, thereby Reversing Victim and Offender. “”…I have observed that actual abusers threaten, bully and make a nightmare for anyone who holds them accountable or asks them to change their abusive behavior. This attack, intended to chill and terrify, typically includes threats of law suits, overt and covert attacks on the whistle-blower’s credicility, and so on….. [T]he offender rapidly creates the impression that the abuser is the wronged one, while the victim or concerned observer is the offender. Figure and ground are completely reversed… The offender is on the offense and the person attempting to hold the offender accountable is put on the defense.
    ——————————————————————-
    Denial of fact:
    This form of denial is where someone avoids a fact by lying. This lying can take the form of an outright falsehood, leaving out certain details in order to tailor a story, or by falsely agreeing to something (assent, also referred to as “yessing” behavior). Someone who is in denial of fact is typically using lies in order to avoid facts that they think may be potentially painful to themselves or others.
    —————————————————————
    Denial of responsibility:
    This form of denial involves avoiding personal responsibility by blaming, minimizing or justifying. Blaming is a direct statement shifting culpability and may overlap with denial of fact. Minimizing is an attempt to make the effects or results of an action appear to be less harmful than they may actually be. Justifying is when someone takes a choice and attempts to make that choice look okay due to their perception of what is “right” in a situation. Someone using denial of responsibility is usually attempting to avoid potential harm or pain by shifting attention away from themselves.
    ———————————————————————–
    Denial of impact:
    Denial of impact involves a person’s avoiding thinking about or understanding the harms his or her behavior has caused to self or others. Doing this enables that person to avoid feeling a sense of guilt and it can prevent him or her from developing remorse or empathy for others. Denial of impact reduces or eliminates a sense of pain or harm from poor decisions.
    ———————————————————————–
    Denial of awareness:
    This type of denial is best discussed by looking at the concept of state dependent learning[2]. People using this type of denial will avoid pain and harm by stating they were in a different state of awareness
    —————————————————————–
    Denial of cycle:
    Many who use this type of denial will say things such as, “it just happened.” Denial of cycle is where a person avoids looking at their decisions leading up to an event or does not consider their pattern of decision making and how harmful behavior is repeated. The pain and harm being avoided by this type of denial is more of the effort needed to change the focus from a singular event to looking at preceding events. It can also serve as a way to blame or justify behavior.
    ——————————————————————
    Denial of denial:
    This can be a difficult concept for many people to identify with in themselves, but is a major barrier to changing hurtful behaviors. Denial of denial involves thoughts, actions and behaviors which bolster confidence that nothing needs to be changed in one’s personal behavior. This form of denial typically overlaps with all of the other forms of denial, but involves more self-delusion.

  • saulaan

    sing666, whoever doesn’t like the Dalai Lama’s form of government (there is no such thing, by the way – the Tibetan Government in Exile is an elected democracy) – whoever doesn’t like it, is free to not live under it.

    However in Tibet right now, people are forced to live under the Chinese government because they are not allowed to emigrate.

  • ffmiddlejohnson

    Am I the only non Chinese, no Falun Gong here?

  • chinatoon

    obvious singing is for canaries…and you are in denial of the facts!

  • laohong

    I’d love to add some salt to Daliar’s rotten wound, inhumanly. Oh, I dont mean that stinking wound in the video since film is just film.

    1, Asiaweek reported in Oct. 2000:
    —Long-uneasy relations between the Geluk and Karma Kagyu sects were further strained by the Dalai Lama¢®’s intervention in the recognition of the Karmapa Lama. It revived bitter memories of the 1960s, when the Dalai¢®’s brother Gyalo Thondup tried to bring all Tibetan sects under Geluk control ¢®¨£ by force if necessary. When 14 exile settlements united to fight his plan, unrest erupted within the community. In March 1977, settlements leader Gungthang Tsultrim was shot several times at point-blank range. The murderer said he received 300,000 rupees from the Tibetan government-in-exile. He claimed it offered to pay him even more to kill the 16th Karmapa Lama (the current Karmapa is the 17th Karmapa He is only 16 years old).
    2,
    http://www.karmapa-controversy.org/V…fficultes.html
    Excerpts:

    —The leaders of 13 large Tibetan settlements created an alliance called ‘Thirteen Settlements’. Another large camp from Nepal, led by General Bava Yeshi, joined them, thus becoming ‘Fourteen Settlements’. Khamtrul and Chokling Rinpoches were appointed president and general secretary, respectively. In addition, all the high Nyingma and Kagyu lamas – especially the Situ, Gyaltshab, Trungpa, Dhazang, Sachu, Kalu, Thrangu, Bokar and Tenga Rinpoches – followed the Karmapa without question because of his leadership of the Karma Kagyu. Ultimately they prepared to face the Gelug challenge. The stalemate continued for about a decade until the Dharamsala coterie cried it off in 1973. However, for years to come, the Tibetans in exile continued to be polarised into two main groups. Chagrined at not being able to subdue the other orders, the Dharamsala supporters planned to launch a lethal strike. According to the plans, a handful of dissidents were to be eradicated.

    When in 1976, Gungthang Tsultrim, the political head of the alliance, was murdered and the assassin confessed to operate on orders from the Tibetan cabinet. Hired for the job, he was paid rupees three hundred thousand by the Tibetan government-in-exile in Dharamsala. The Tibetan government-in-exile had also offered him more money for eliminating the 16th Karmapa, he confessed.
    3, Another Buddhism site:
    http://www.diamondway-buddhism.org/books/robes.htm
    Excerpts:

    —Tibetan settlements-mainly refugees from Kham-formed a political alliance and chose Karmapa as their spiritual leader. A powerful and opposite pole to the Dalai Lama and the official line of Dharamsala came into existence. The new coalition fought successfully against the idea of doing away with Tibet’s religious diversity, and, in the end, the misguided plan had to be abandoned. But the government could not forgive Karmapa his uncompromising stance in the dispute and his defiance of the Dalai Lama’s authority, and the Kagyus became the targets of unsavory attacks. When in 1976, Gungthang Tsultrim, the political head of the alliance, was murdered and the assassin confessed to operate on orders from the Tibetan cabinet, Rumtek (Karmapa’s Kagyus sect ) and Dharamsala (Dalai Lama’s Geluk sect) drifted farther apart.

    And Daliar still owe China a list of 200 deads he claimes killed last year in Tibet and promised to offer to China. But where, after this long year?

  • sing666

    When you whack like an idiot, walk like an idiot, chances are, you are an idiot. That is what Dalai Lama really is. End of message.

  • sing666

    The best humane way to solve the Tibetan problem.
    1. Encourage as many as possible to go to Indian as long as they are not coming back.
    2. Build thousands of monasteries around Tibet and encourage them to be monks/nuns.
    In three generations, Tibetans population will be cut by 80%. Problem solved. Nobody can accuse Beijing being inhumane.

  • chinatoon

    sing666 have you been drinking?

  • conscienceinchina

    Reminding:

    Simon, seems only one day to go this week. Would you delete this unrelated comment?

    ——————————————
    Attached:

    “A link to an unrelated topic (in this case it was about the travails of lawyer Gao Zhisheng, a topic we’ll be writing about later in the week, FYI) would be fine”(Monday, March 23, by simon)

  • eastbreeze

    The average life expectancy in Tibet has increased to 67 years from 35.5 recorded before its peaceful liberation, according to the Tibetan Autonomous Regional People’s Government.

    By the end of 2008, Tibet had 220,000 seniors aged above 60, accounting for 8 percent of its population. Among them, 20,000 were over 80 in age and 79 over 100.

    Tibet’s oldest woman, Arme Tsering , celebrated her 118th birthday at home in the northeastern suburbs of Lhasa on March 16, 2009.

  • eastbreeze

    The slaveowners lived an extravagant life while most tibetan people could not live longer than 35.5 years. Where were their huaman rights? They had no human rights, because the slaveowners didn’t view them as human beings, they were SLAVES, no right, no dignity.

    Nobody, as long as he has conscience, would not campaign for the restoration of slavery and theocracy.

  • eastbreeze

    Serfs in all Tibetan areas were overburdened with exorbitant rents in cash or in kind. More than 70 percent of their annual proceeds were taken away by manorial lords, plunging them into dire poverty.

    Apart from paying exorbitant rents, serfs had to do all kinds of corvee labor, which was called Ulag.

    All the manorial lords, especially the monasteries, were usurers. They cruelly exploited the serfs by forcing them to accept loans at usurious rates of interest or exchange of unequal values. Usurious loans often ruined the serfs and their families or reduced them to beggary or slavery.

    The serfs and slaves, who accounted for over 95 percent of the population, were bound for life to the land of the manorial lords, ordered about and enslaved from generation to generation. They were freely given away as gifts, donations or dowries, sold or exchanged for goods. Long shackled by feudal serfdom, the population of the Tibetan ethnic group showed little growth and production stagnated.

  • eastbreeze

    From CNN:
    “Pope Benedict XVI’s claim that condoms do not prevent HIV has led to an international campaign on the social-networking Web site Facebook.

    Pope Benedict XVI’s anti-condom comments has raised the ire of some Facebook users.

    Thousands have pledged to send the pontiff millions of condoms to protest the controversial comment he made to journalists as he flew to Cameroon during his trip to Africa last week.”

    Spiritual leaders more often than not do harm to our world. If it’s not for those brave scientists, mankind is still living in the dark ages.

  • conscienceinchina

    To Saulaan:

    Saulaan says: “now Chinese people themselves, have denied…that anything bad is happening to Tibetans in Tibet”.

    —Things not always like that you imagine. Of course the Commies and their flunkies are always denying, yet the Chinese people are not. The unusuality is that some of China’s official medias and reporters have ever queried the facts in Tibet released by the authorities, particularly involved south China medias such as “Southern Metropolis Daily(南方都市报)”, “Southern Weekend(南方周末)” and so on. As a result, some of their bosses, editors, correspondents have been fired. For more details, please click:

    http://www.rfa.org/cantonese/commentaries/lingfang-12102008121202.html

    http://www.secretchina.com/news/243896.html

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    Attached:

    saulaan Says:
    Thursday, March 26, 2009 at 10:04 pm
    Well, dear River Crabs, if the video weren’t real, YouTube wouldn’t have been blocked.
    Tibetans are posting this video, while requesting dialogue, because for 60 years China as a nation, and now Chinese people themselves, have denied–and denied, and denied, and denied–that anything bad is happening to Tibetans in Tibet.
    Until you drop the blind denials, and open your eyes, and see Tibetans with open minds and hearts, see what their lives are really like, there can be little hope of progress.

  • eastbreeze

    This world don’t need superstition and cults, we need knowledge. Only knowledge can salvage our world. Shame on those cult leaders.

  • eastbreeze

    A Tibetan living Buddha on Monday compared the emancipation of serfs in Tibet 50 years ago to the abolition of slavery in the United States in 1862, saying the two are of similar significance.

    “They are both milestones in the history of human rights,” Shingtsa Tenzinchodrak, a living Buddha of the Kagyu sect, said when meeting with Peter Milliken, speaker of the Canadian House of Commons.

    The Tibetan Autonomous Region People’s Congress, the regional legislature, endorsed a bill on Jan. 19, 2009 to designate March 28 as an annual Serfs Emancipation Day, to mark the date on which about 1 million serfs in the region were freed 50 years ago.

    Shingtsa Tenzinchodrak, who is also vice chairman of the Standing Committee of the Tibetan Autonomous Region People’s Congress, said serfs and slaves accounted for about 95 percent of the total population in Tibet before 1959. “They possessed no means of production or personal freedom, not to mention other basic human rights,” he said.

    Serfs were seen as the private property of landowners, mostly the nobles, monasteries and government officials, according to historical records. Landowners could legally insult, punish, buy and sell, whip, and even brutally kill their serfs.

  • chinatoon

    i think you Propoganda Pandas have all been drinking out of the same bottle of ‘OLD RUM’.

    Your in such denial of facts, casting blame around, superstitious, hateful toward the Dalai Lama and Tibetans, you’ll never find peace in Tibet…Face it, communism and your idea of reform will not cure the worlds problems and is not the answer, and definitely not the answer in Tibet.
    You’ll have to do better….
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    you will have a price to pay one day for your brutal ideology!
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    fareast-of-east, denying the abuse and making the Tibetans victim the offender is racism.
    WHEN WILL YOU IDIOTS GROW UP
    Treat the tibetans with respect and listen to the needs of the people.

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    A common strategy to Deny the Abuse and then attack the victim for attempting to make them accountable for their offence, thereby Reversing Victim and Offender. “”…I have observed that actual abusers threaten, bully and make a nightmare for anyone who holds them accountable or asks them to change their abusive behavior. This attack, intended to chill and terrify, typically includes threats of law suits, overt and covert attacks on the whistle-blower’s credicility, and so on….. [T]he offender rapidly creates the impression that the abuser is the wronged one, while the victim or concerned observer is the offender. Figure and ground are completely reversed… The offender is on the offense and the person attempting to hold the offender accountable is put on the defense.
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    Han chauvinist racist are the scum of the earth. I suggest for those suffering from ‘Denial of Denial’ to search more for a qualified psychologist to identify your mental illness. I’ll try to help! But you will have to be more honest with yourself.
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    Eventually you will realize that by giving the Tibetans the autonomy they ask for you will also receive insight into you own endemic fears and find peace with yourself.
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    The truth of RACISM
    by its simplest definition is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. People with racist beliefs exhibit stereotype-based prejudices towards individuals and groups of people according to their race. In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or get preferential treatment. Racial discrimination typically points out taxonomic differences between different groups of people, even though anybody can be racialised, independently of their somatic differences. According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the term racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination. Racism is the belief that a particular race is superior or inferior to another, that a person’s social and moral traits are predetermined by his or her inborn biological characteristics.

  • sing666

    The story of three blind men and an elephant:
    It goes like this:
    There were three men born blind. In order to find out what an elephant is really like, they were led to an elephant in a zoo. One touched the tail of an elephant and came to a conclusion that an elephant was shaped like a long thin tube. Another touched the foot of an elephant and insisted that elephant was nothing but a tree trunk. The third one laughed at the other two and said elephant was just like a piece of banana leave. Guess which part of elephant he touched.
    Read the following link to find out what kind of paradise the DL the Holy Idiot created in India for his beloved followers.
    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1884187,00.html
    Excerpt:
    75% unemployment because of DL the Holy Idiot insists on perserving Tibetan culture in India and most of them don’t speak English or Hindu.
    Called parasites by local Indians.
    Drug and alcohol abuse is a big problem.
    No Culture interaction between Indians and Tibetans in India.
    Able and willing young Tibetans are leaving the community for work in other part of India and some even want to go back to China against the will of DL the Holy Idiot.
    More of them want to leave India to go to the West.
    What they left out was the secular violence directed by followers of DL towards other Tibetans that belongs to other sect or people who does not agree with him.
    Is that the society that DL wants to emulate to what he called greater Tibet, which is 5 times the size of France.
    After all this, DL is worshipped as God. Who is in Denial?

  • saulaan

    Conscience in China – thank you for pointing that out, and thank you for working to show that not all Chinese are wu mao! It’s always a breath of fresh air to read your comments.

  • saulaan

    eastbreeze, are you even from western China? How about near Tibet?

    Well, my family lived on the border for almost 30 years. Serfdom and slavery in Tibet is a myth.

    Tibetans in Tibet were horse breeders, farmers, salt traders, religious students and teachers, traditional doctors, artists, etc. Tibet was a normal place to live, and far more peaceful than China which was in the middle of civil war (however, where my family lived, in Lanzhou, it was peaceful until the day Mao’s troops arrived).

    So, why not base your knowledge on real talks with real people, instead of some textbook written by people who weren’t even there?

  • ffmiddlejohnson
  • chinatoon

    i’m not here to comb my f**ken ego…i want you racist bast**ds to get a little of what you have been doling out to Tibetans…my prayer is for you to have your hands are tied to your ankles and you have a broom sh—d up your panda *ss. I want your mother’s head blown off, your home burned, your prosperity lost and everything meaningful to you taken away. Then maybe you have the right to talk about Tibetans.
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    You are the scum of the earth you chinese PIGS.

  • 2morrow2

    Saulaan the self-claimed decedent of a missionary family who apparently does not know what missionary means:

    Well, people, no matter how real they think themselves are, do have the rights to be an idiot.
    But they do not have the rights to lie.
    But unfortunately, real people do lie.

  • chinatoon

    Who is in Denial? the person who imitates the canary.

    you dumb**s with every word you say!

  • 2morrow2

    WOW!
    Our SFFT official, who has long pretended to be peaceful and religious is getting mad!
    And this madness seems to come from the disclosure of facts from several independent sources (such as this one: http://www.examiner.com/x-1000-DC-Independent-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m3d10-Why-you-shouldnt-care-about-Tibet),which have adequately challenged the credibility of the propaganda machines of SFFT and the exile government, such as the mysterious video they released shortly after their Holy leader being rejected entry visa to South Africa.
    Now, madness is certainly not good for SFFT and/or the exile government’s political agenda, including spreading out lies with the help of western media.
    It is also not in keeping with the buddhism teaching of how an individual, no matter where his/her political line is, is supposed to behave.
    I say, go check with the Holyness himself and see what he has to say about madness.

  • 2morrow2

    From “Why you shouldn’t care about Tibet” http://www.examiner.com/x-1000-DC-Independent-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m3d10-Why-you-shouldnt-care-about-Tibet

    Here is my favourite:

    Most supporters of the Free Tibet cause, of course, are idealogues, hippies, and Hollywood celebrities who, having thoroughly rejected their own European culture, are just looking for something to believe in. The peculiarities of Western self-hate being what they are, most activists never get as far as to question whether or not Tibet was actually ever a Shangri La before it was arbitrarily and brutally attacked by China some fifty years ago. Heck, as a dare, go search for news stories from the usual gullible suspects in the media about Tibet; see how many feature pictures of either the Dalai Lama himself, or other monks (even in their heyday, a small percentage of the population), and see how many actually feature pictures or even references to the lives of average Tibetans. I know I’m shocked whenever I see the latter. To left-leaning activists, the Free Tibet movement is an indulgence and ongoing fantasy, the common socialist fantasy of a numerous, simple, happily ignorant peasant class toiling under the gentle, nurturing care of a spiritually and mentally enlightened elite, who gladly lift the burden of free will from the former and take it for themselves. Meanwhile, to many warhawks, any excuse to complain about China is a good one.

    A question for our lovely Mr.Simon Elegant is:
    Where do you think your butt sits right now?

  • 2morrow2

    And this:

    Q: But doesn’t the Dalai Lama want to institute democratic reforms in Tibet, making it a free, liberal democracy?

    A: Maybe, but I wouldn’t bet my life savings on it. First of all, the Dalai Lama sings whatever tune’s going to please the audience; when appealing to more Leftist groups, he’s described himself with the Progressivegasmic phrase, “Half-Marxist, Half-Buddhist”. He’s basically hinted that if he were to try and lead Communist reforms, he would make them work, dammit. On the other hand, more recently he’s put forward a proposed constitution. It guarantees religious freedom and freedom of speech, but then, so does the PRC. Moreover, it looks a lot like a Western democracy, except for the references to Tibetan Buddhism, making the Dalai Lama President for Life, and giving him exclusive power to hire and fire elected officials at will, as well as generally pause the democratic reforms he talks about at his own discretion.

  • ffmiddlejohnson

    I have a dream. White people, black people, Chinese people, even French people (Simon sounds French to me.) could sh*t here without getting f**ked (Nothing wrong though).

  • eastbreeze

    Sing666

    Please don’t call Dalai Lama idot anymore, we can disagree with him, but we should not insult him.

  • aronlee

    Let’s see the best human rights record which completely outstood China’s, of course those in Tibet!!!
    US enjoys a really good record of human rights, doesn’t it? Let’s see: Abu Ghraib Prison, 200 thousand massacred Iraqis, supporting Israeli troops slaughtering Palenstanines, raping Japanese girls freely, using chemical and depleted-uranium weapons towards civilians in Yugoslavia, the Agent Orange or dioxins used unbridledly in Vietnam leaving the coming babies deformed, special treatment for the prisoners in Guantanamo, the biggest prison system and the most prisoners in the world, the biggest polluter in the world,fed Katrina with the lives of people in New Orlean, it’s too hard to list at least 1% of them, isn’t it? I even don’t know if I need to mention something “pre-history”? about the massacred native Americans? slavery of the black? Ironically, the history of America is just a history of bloodshed and numberless violations against human rights.Was it that Stature of Liberty arrogantly set up in New York to honour such a glorious record of America?
    Brazenly enough, such a nation indulging in bloodlust and manslaughter loves picking up the faults of other countries!!!
    Dialectically, the tags of “terrorists” can be tagged to anyone who threatens the national security of USA, the tags of ” evil members of the axis of evil” can be tagged to any nation which threatens the ruling power of USA in the world. That’s to say,conspicuously and ironically, sometimes the two words “terrorist” and “axis of evil”, to a certain extent, means “the arrogant dissidents against USA”. Of course, I don’t mean I support terrorism. I hate al-Qaeda as sharply as how US people did: any attack actions targeted at innocent people are of course terroristic. But what I have to indicate is that wars striking terrorism may be used as the cover to interfere in the internal affairs of other countries and even the excuse to invade some countries by the Bush (almost Nazi-styled)administration. This is too contemptible!!! In order to get the excuses to launch the Iraq War, the Defence Department even sent so-called military experts to some TV stations to transmit the false message so the people can be tricked in to believing what the US forces did was necessary even massacring. US forces have massacred about at least 200 thousand Iraqis in direct ways or indirect ways. I almost feel extremely disgusted at the pictures and videos of the atrocious bloodshed in Iraq replaying in TV everyday. I want to know who can protect their human rights? I think to live is the most basic human right which should be given to everyone in the world, but I don’t know why the most cruel and evil butcher having a gory hand in hundreds of thousands of deaths of innocent people and the abyssal misery of them are so brazen to criticize the human rights of other countries? Do you Americans know what the hell the shame is? Anyone who seems like a terrorist must be eliminated ruthlessly, no matter, in fact, who it is, a child or a pregnant woman? As long as weak enough, any nation which dissents from the hegemony of US must be the country supporting terrorism or planning to destroy the world so it can live alone in the world? US is so used to bullying the weak but being scared of the tough. Who is tougher than US and who can determine the fate of US will be treated to the hip-kissing no matter what things it did. Why US has never tried to eastablish so-called democracy in Saudi Arabia and criticize the human rights record of it? US is too hypocritical! US criticises the human rights conditions of some nations not in order to improve the human rights there but just uses this method to intimidate and scare so it will help the foreign policies of US to make itself stand highly in morality. Why did US launched the evil war towards Iraq? Because of nuclear or biochemical bombs there? To eliminate the dictatorship and give the Iraqi people democracy? To strike terrorism? Or just for oil? Ironically, what the counter-terrorists did was more terrific than terrorists’. They attacks and kidnaps, but this is completely nothing compared to what US did in Iraq. US likes to massacre them! Maybe this is more efficient to intimidate the other countries supporting terrorism into “counter-”TERRORISM of US. Bin Laden is of course a evil terrorist, and al-Qaeda is of course an organization of terrorism. But there is no difference between Bush Administration or US government and al-Qaeda, Iran, North Korea at all!!! It’s all the same!!! Maybe trying to expiate the sins of Americans can be too hard or even impossible, but trying to stop the buzzing gibberish about other countries may improve a little on the image of US. US is hating by more and more people in the world, if US were hated by anyone outside US in the world, the doomsday of it will come!
    Finally, I feel so sympathetic with those poor brainwahsed animials under such a brazen and capitalistic dictatorship. You all need revolution!!!
    PS: It will be a real honour for me to be a Communist and called a Communist. But unfortunately, I am not qualified enough to become a Communist for the time being because I’m just a high school student. If someone calls me a Communist, I will be very happy!

  • eastbreeze

    On the occasion of Tibet’s Serfs Emancipation Day which falls on March 28, a German scholar on Friday hailed the end of serfdom in Tibet 50 years ago as “a victory for human rights.”

    In an article titled “The End of Slavery” carried by German daily “Die junge Welt,” retired German philosophy professor and Sinologist, Hans Heinz Holz, gave a detailed introduction of Tibetan history as well as the serfdom in Tibet which he said featured “shameless exploitation of farmers and herders by rich monasteries and large landowners, a high illiteracy rate, poor medical care and a high rate of child mortality.”

    “There are good reasons to celebrate the abolition of serfdom in Tibet. It was a victory for human rights, a redemption of the UN Charter,” he said.

    “The so-called Tibetan exile government is the representative of the former exploiters. When the Dalai Lama speaks of freedom, what he means is the freedom for the few who exploit the masses,” Holz said.

    “The theocracy of the Lamas was not a religious culture, but an ideologically-based primitive exploitation and hierarchy system,” he said.

    “Nostalgic yearning for the theocracy of Lama monks is not only historical, but inhuman. Slavery was the economic condition of earlier cultures. That cannot mean that to preserve the culture, slavery should also be preserved. It is for sure that no human rights defender wants to defend the barbaric justice system of the Lamas with punishments such as mutilation and whipping.”

  • sing666

    eastbreeze:
    My wife calls me idiot all the time. I never take it as an insult.

  • chinatoon

    The Tibetans have a wonderful approach of ‘simple kindness’, its to treat each and every person as if it were their mother. From that the altruistic intention of ‘loving kindness’ to all ‘Mother sentient beings’.
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    You little ‘cat fish’ You have been brainwashed, here is a list for you to study so you don’t grow up like you father and ‘eat your Mother’.
    There is a cure for your illness. I suggest you study ‘types of denial’ #s 1 and 5 carefully ‘catfish’ bottom feeder.
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    1. A common strategy to Deny the Abuse and then attack the victim for attempting to make them accountable for their offence, thereby Reversing Victim and Offender.
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    2. Denial of responsibility:
    This form of denial involves avoiding personal responsibility by blaming, minimizing or justifying. Blaming is a direct statement shifting culpability and may overlap with denial of fact
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    3. Denial of impact:
    Denial of impact involves a person’s avoiding thinking about or understanding the harms his or her behavior has caused to self or others. Doing this enables that person to avoid feeling a sense of guilt and it can prevent him or her from developing remorse or empathy for others. Denial of impact reduces or eliminates a sense of pain or harm from poor decisions.
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    4. Denial of cycle:
    Many who use this type of denial will say things such as, “it just happened.” Denial of cycle is where a person avoids looking at their decisions leading up to an event or does not consider their pattern of decision making and how harmful behavior is repeated. The pain and harm being avoided by this type of denial is more of the effort needed to change the focus from a singular event to looking at preceding events. It can also serve as a way to blame or justify behavior.
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    5. Denial of denial:
    This can be a difficult concept for many people to identify with in themselves, but is a major barrier to changing hurtful behaviors. Denial of denial involves thoughts, actions and behaviors which bolster confidence that nothing needs to be changed in one’s personal behavior. This form of denial typically overlaps with all of the other forms of denial, but involves more self-delusion.

    You won’t have a chance to rewrite history on the internet ass**le. Though you have gone to such extremes to control the internet in your own country. The world wants transparancy from the Red Dragon, and the history of Tibet will not be written in ‘transparent ink’.
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    THERE IS “NO FREEDOM” IN CHINA EXCEPT WHAT IS APPROVED BY THE ‘RED DRAGON’
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    THE CRUEL TORTURE AND OPPRESSION THAT HAS BEEN DOLED OUT TO MINORITIES IS UNACCEPTABLE!!

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    TIBET IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF LIES AND DECEIT IN CHINA AND THE PEOPLE NEED A CHANGE
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    LIKE A GREEDY LANDLORD THE OFFICIALS ARE OBSESSED WITH PRIDE, ARROGANCE AND POWER
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    THE GOVERNMENT IN CONTROL OF OFFICIALS IN CHINA ONLY NUMBER IN THE THOUSANDS,
    THEIR HEADS SHOULD BE CRUSHED AND REPLACED BY A MORE COMPASSIONATE PEOPLES GOVERNMENT
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    The clock is counting for a more moderate approach to Tibet.
    Just as Germany and Japan and the Bushes’ are now history, your pride and arrogance may topple you Propoganda Pandas’ in the near future.

  • eastbreeze

    Sing666
    Your wife calls you idiot because she loves you, “打是亲骂是爱”。
    达赖喇嘛已经是一位年逾古稀的老人,我们应该对老人有起码的尊重。

  • eastbreeze

    不管怎么说,他也是我们的同胞,许他不仁,不许我不义。

  • chinatoon

    Kunga Tsayang is a respected writer, intellectual and artist of the new Tibetan generation. He was arrested by the Chinese authorities on 17 March 2009, from Labrang Monastery on alleged charges for writing political essays on Tibet to a website named as “Jottings” (Tib: Zin-dris), in Gansu Province.
    -
    Information dissemination is the most important tool in carrying out any kind of action or campaign. However, if one’s ways of spreading information crosses the standard norms then that campaign is bound to become a meaningless stammer of a drunken man.
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    This year the peaceful Tibetan protesters were infiltrated and were misled to a wrong path. The China Television, Lhasa TV and others, while ignoring the truth, have excessively branded all Tibetans as separatists. This has caused an incurable communal injury between the Chinese brothers and sisters, and Tibetans leading to Chinese disliking the Tibetans and Tibetans holding animosity towards the Chinese. I, as a person, am forced to accept the fact that this was the biggest factor caused split among the nationalities.
    -

    Tibetans are driven to a desperate position because of them being accused of doing things, which they never did, and small incidents were exaggerated and paraded before the world. Even Tibetans who worked for the party for over two to three decades were accused and the Chinese news media, the experts that they are in fabricating lies, went to schools and universities where there are only a handful of Tibetan students to accuse them and to witch hunt them. Such excessive misinformation and wrongful acts have caused a huge chasm and disturbance in the minds of Tibetan officials and students who have absolute love for Chinese brothers and sisters and liking for the Communist Party of China. This has left a feeling of ‘racial hatred’ in their minds. This is the negative consequence of their incompetent reporting.
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    Under these circumstances our freedom of movements are restricted by roadblocks, checkpoints and ever-present military personals with guns pointed at us. I must strongly assert that confiscating the photographs of our beloved leader His Holiness the Dalai Lama, by burning them, and stamping them under the soldiers’ boots are the real causes of splitting the people. Detention of Tibetans for possessing His Holiness the Dalai Lama’s photographs, disparaging them for putting His Holiness’ pictures on their altars are the real causes of split amongst the nationalities. Unless you [the Chinese Government] are able to break our love and respect in our hearts, all your fruitless campaigns and activities will only strengthen our unity and love for one Tibetan brother to another.
    -
    I have always believed that soldiers are heroes protecting national security, building harmony amongst people and helping economic developments. However, this year all these proved wrong because of their biased actions, killing of innocent people, their plundering and ransacking of properties and shops, their expertise in suppressing dissents and their lawless marauding style. I state this based on facts and the actual events as it happened in Ngapa regions of Amdo and Kanlho regions [in Eastern Tibet.] If these things happened because of a few military officers and officials in local administration, then I can strongly say that you are the real agents splitting the nationalities.
    -
    Moreover, people at the local Public Security Bureaus, military and regional Communist Party cadres piled a large amount of fabricated, negative information and petitions in front of the Central Government in order to obtain huge sums of money to fund their so-called victories against protests and to continue their suppressive actions. How are these actions not meant to split the nationalities? A series of large-scale policy mistakes were made because the local level cadres were busy trying to please their bosses in the higher levels.

    Why is the Communist Party of China silent like a man with one eye closed and ears gone deaf in face of such unlimited actions carried out to harm the unity of the nation and stability of the country? Lamas may make mistakes, leaders may make mistakes and the government too can make mistakes. But the time has come for those people responsible for causing harms and disunity be paraded before the public and be made answerable for their mistakes. If this can be done, we will still have some faith in improving our relationship with other nationalities and to build a harmonious society.

    An image is built in the minds of both the Chinese people and Tibetan brothers and sisters of the other side as someone who is to be scared of and to have hatred towards each other. We ask: Why must they beat and torture our brothers and sisters this way? And by lying and fabricating wrong views, we have come to a state where even a Tibetan truck driver is scorned. The general impression being created is that of Tibetans as people who are not even worth to look at.

    When we talk in more general terms, Tibetan and Chinese people have a long tradition of helping each other and have deep mutual respect and admiration. However, the portrayal of Tibetans in Chinese official media this year has left an image of Tibetans as enemies. Has this become a factor that would improve harmony or has it become a cause for its destruction? This is an issue that the leaders must think about; this is an issue that is worth thinking about because the harmony of the nation will be build on this foundation by taking positives actions on it. This is something that is never too late to pursue.

  • bluescreen2008

    Again
    lot of idiots here and their Majia

  • bluescreen2008

    24 hours full time inhabited here
    It is funny
    Long live FaLenGong
    Long live Free Tibet

    If they can

  • sing666

    The most bizarre news on BBC and CBC today.
    Canadian and British computer research just went public, accusing the Chinese government of using virus to take control of DL’s personal computer. They even managed to turn on the webcam attached to the computer remotely and recorded everything that went on there for at least 40 days before DL got suspicous of it.
    The best way to defend cyber spy is to turn the damn computer off if you do not use it. Does DL have to let his personal computer on at all time?
    It is getting like a soap opera. It is very entertaining. I just can’t get enough of this. The only thing missing in this episode is sex. Given the advanced age of DL, I do not think it is forthcoming.

  • chinatoon

    cram in pandas, and the canary too…will somebody bring back the 60′s again!

  • chinatoon

    Oh, give me a home where the Buffalo roam
    Where the deer and the antelope play;
    Where seldom is heard a discouraging word,
    And the sky is not cloudy all day.
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    A home! A home!
    Where the Deer and the Antelope play,
    Where seldom is heard a discouraging word,
    And the sky is not clouded all day.
    Oh! give me a land where the bright diamond sand
    Throws its light from the glittering streams,
    Where glideth along the graceful white swan,
    Like the maid in her heavenly dreams.
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    Oh! give me a gale of the Solomon vale,
    Where the life streams with buoyancy flow;
    On the banks of the Beaver, where seldom if ever,
    Any poisonous herbage doth grow.
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    How often at night, when the heavens were bright,
    With the light of the twinkling stars
    Have I stood here amazed, and asked as I gazed,
    If their glory exceed that of ours.
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    I love the wild flowers in this bright land of ours,
    I love the wild curlew’s shrill scream;
    The bluffs and white rocks, and antelope flocks
    That graze on the mountains so green.
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    The air is so pure and the breezes so fine,
    The zephyrs so balmy and light,
    That I would not exchange my home here to range
    Forever in azures so bright.
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    a beautiful thought! a whole generation still planted roses for us!

  • conscienceinchina

    Will the Commies and their flunkies flooding here go mad with exultation when they see this below?

    “Buddhist cleric: China protects religious freedom”

    http://news.aol.com/article/buddhist-cleric-china-protects-religious/402465

  • conscienceinchina

    The speech of the 10th Panchen Lama delivered at Jan 23th, 1989, just 5 days before his suddenly uncanny death:

    “The losses are much more than the gains for the Tibet (after been ruled by the CCP)”

    http://www.xizang-zhiye.org/gb/arch/writings/banchan/banchan5.html

  • conscienceinchina

    A famous columnist responds the absurd lies darkening the history of Tibet:

    “Serfdom? where?”(in Chinese, RFA)

    http://www.chinesepen.org/Article/hyxz/200903/Article_20090319171911.shtml

  • nhautamaki

    Wow the comments section for this blog has really gone downhill =[

  • saulaan

    I think the 1960s are already back. Many of us objected to Strike Hard when it was proposed, because we knew it could lead to revolts, and it has.

    Welcome to the bad old days.

    However this time, I think if you Strike Hard, the masses will Strike Back.

  • chinatoon

    It appears the brooding red dragon is back in its cave,
    the truth just like the sun….too bright.

    The internet link we once shared is severed,
    but the Truth is forever.
    The history of Tibet is in peril and the truth of Tibet needs to be told.

    That’s the ‘Story of Tibet’ in its entirety, found on Google Book.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=CaV2y65qb4EC
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    THE RED DRAGON IS A THEIF AND WILL NEVER OWN THE HEART AND MINDS OF TIBETANS

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